Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-09-13T22:13:00+02:00

Simply,sim speed slows as the number of units in game increase, and as the mobility of the units increase. It's mainly to do with the processor.Apple(which I actually despise tbh) or no Apple.

It's known for some years now that Setons players are something akin to firewalkers and like to be tortured. A fully fledged Setons evolves around.the 3500 to 4000 units mark. Processors until ivy bridge were falling to negative speeds.once.this limit was overcome or at much lower unit count).It's only after Haswell that Seton's became playable after all those years, almost.

And to think that Seton's players were.bullshitting the universe that they want.to have.a quality gaming experience, that's why.they want.team mates.with "strong " cpus, lol!
An Ivy bridge at 3 ghz will fall below zero sim speed once the number.of units becomes 2700 to.3000,.so there.....
This usually happens between the 25 and 35 th.min depending on the game.(there are some exceptions that reach much.more.than.4000 and. Then things become.comical)

To be fair one main reason these modern cpus fail to satisfy expectations is because old programs are not.optimised to new hardware, but the end result is the same.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 13 Sep 2015, 22:13

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-09-08T13:56:31+02:00

Mapman. How could you know. You're normally dead before min 15. So you're saying you stay in the game after you die just to experience lag ?

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 08 Sep 2015, 13:56

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-08-26T19:49:13+02:00

Most of the setons players have computers that score between 200-300 on FAF cpu benchmark. I think 300 is the minimum you want for a hour long 4v4. There are players that score in this range but thermal throttle within 10 minutes into game for an increasingly slow game after that. I assume they are on a laptop. [Redacted] would be the best current example of this sort of lagger if you want to experience it for yourself.

Statistics: Posted by ThinkTank — 26 Aug 2015, 19:49

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-17T16:07:55+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
Because the CPU score isn't accurate, and thermal throttling is one big reason. Perhaps you haven't seen much gaming laptops if you claim the MBP Retina thermal design is "Better than any gaming laptop I've ever seen." It's the same logic as me saying "Aspirin has never worked for me" for the simple reason I've never taken one.

I have seen a couple between 2007 and now. Of course that was implied in my post (and you know it), but it's not possible for me to prove it. The thermal design for the MBP Retina just really impressed me, where the previous MacBook Pros were not good at all in my opinion (they were quiet, but very hot as well). Compared to the average laptop, they may be cooler in idle, but I've found that the MBPr has more headroom than most (gaming) laptops (granted, anecdotal, not easy to test in a scientific manner). At the very least it's thermal design is very decent.

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 17 Jun 2015, 16:07

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-17T12:52:37+02:00

Because the CPU score isn't accurate, and thermal throttling is one big reason. Perhaps you haven't seen much gaming laptops if you claim the MBP Retina thermal design is "Better than any gaming laptop I've ever seen." It's the same logic as me saying "Aspirin has never worked for me" for the simple reason I've never taken one.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 17 Jun 2015, 12:52

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-16T10:09:51+02:00

ThinkTank wrote:
A replay is not a valid test. A thermal throttling cpu will also throttle the gpu and have more difficulty handling the network traffic. Test it in a real game! I think the previous post stating that the throttled mac will do 2 cores at 3ghz is a good indication of how bad your 1 hour 4v4 performance will be. I doubt this example included a retina display being supported. 4v4 in setons really needs at least 2 cores at 4ghz to run in a normal fashion with 8 players and ~7000 units.

A MAC PRO IS NOT A ROG GAMING LAPTOP even if it costs as much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvu-unZZaS4

I think you will find some of the 2015 gaming laptops only hit 3.5 ghz in turbo as they are concerned with the gfx card.

The cooling designs have completely different goals than a MacBook. Cooling to avoid throttling vs noise reduction in the MacBook.

I am sorry this thread about displays has become a discussion about laptop performance. I am bound to troll any Setons player that threatens to bring a UHD MacBook to FAF. That is a bad idea for everyone who plays with them. V started playing FA for 2 years with a computer that was one of the worst laggers. He trolled my games constantly without any concern for his laggy impact.

Yes, I'm sure everyone you play with has at least a 4GHz CPU (those only have become available very recently or if you paid a bizarre amount unless you overclock). I'm pretty sure a replay result gives a good indication, because network traffic really is not a lot (it might perform a *little* bit less, I'm guessing subtracting 1 from replay simspeed is probably too much already).

Also, if you think everyone overclocks their CPU then you probably also are aware that you can set fan profiles (and then still the thermal design for MBP Retina is better than any gaming laptop I've ever seen).

Anyway, you are of course free to not play with people if they have a CPU score above X, so I don't really get why you think it's necessary to go all asshole in topics like these (and then still don't provide any testing material at all). Because playing != testing, every situation differs. You can test with a certain replay and then compare results of that particular replay between hardware configurations.

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 16 Jun 2015, 10:09

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-15T23:16:15+02:00

A replay is not a valid test. A thermal throttling cpu will also throttle the gpu and have more difficulty handling the network traffic. Test it in a real game! I think the previous post stating that the throttled mac will do 2 cores at 3ghz is a good indication of how bad your 1 hour 4v4 performance will be. I doubt this example included a retina display being supported. 4v4 in setons really needs at least 2 cores at 4ghz to run in a normal fashion with 8 players and ~7000 units.

A MAC PRO IS NOT A ROG GAMING LAPTOP even if it costs as much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvu-unZZaS4

I think you will find some of the 2015 gaming laptops only hit 3.5 ghz in turbo as they are concerned with the gfx card.

The cooling designs have completely different goals than a MacBook. Cooling to avoid throttling vs noise reduction in the MacBook.

I am sorry this thread about displays has become a discussion about laptop performance. I am bound to troll any Setons player that threatens to bring a UHD MacBook to FAF. That is a bad idea for everyone who plays with them. V started playing FA for 2 years with a computer that was one of the worst laggers. He trolled my games constantly without any concern for his laggy impact.

Statistics: Posted by ThinkTank — 15 Jun 2015, 23:16

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-09T10:16:49+02:00

I've played FA on a ROG Laptop, with high player counts. It has the i7-4710MQ (not far off the 4700MQ), pretty certain it would be at 0 (probably in the +'s) after an hour of Setons. Handles better than say my desktop with 2500k @ 4ghz most of the time. Definitely plays GTA IV better and that's more to the CPU than the GPU. (870M vs 670 SLI)

One thing on a laptop, make sure you disable power saving features when its plugged in, i have to do that to use the proper Nvidia GPU (or it uses on the on chip intel one), i'm guessing this may help the CPU use full turbo also?

Statistics: Posted by Mathew — 09 Jun 2015, 10:16

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-06T11:05:18+02:00

ThinkTank wrote:
Aurion wrote:
ThinkTank wrote:It doesn't have the clock speed. A mac book pro will run -4 in setons. Maybe worse at 1 hour with a retina display. Test it before you comment. MBP is not a gaming machine in any way.

I'm in the possession of one and I don't have experience with that Setons example, but with stress CPU (along with stressing GPU) programs it uses turbo quite comfortably without throttling around 3GHz. So you might as well shut up and stop assuming things, idiot. 3GHz Ivy bridge is in no way -4 in Seton's. I'll agree that MBP is no gaming machine, but that's mainly due to graphics which really don't matter in SupCom (it's also not up to par with high end gaming machines of course, because these turbo higher). Test it before you comment, because I'm sure you didn't.

Test it in Setons before you start the name calling. 3ghz at 1 hours will be way behind. I also don't think you will have all cores running at 3ghz at 1 hour on Setons. I don't have a MBP. My comments were about how a MBP will run 4v4 not how a MBP benchmarks on synthetics.

Well, what replay do you want me to run?

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 06 Jun 2015, 11:05

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-05T21:27:58+02:00

Aurion wrote:
ThinkTank wrote:It doesn't have the clock speed. A mac book pro will run -4 in setons. Maybe worse at 1 hour with a retina display. Test it before you comment. MBP is not a gaming machine in any way.

I'm in the possession of one and I don't have experience with that Setons example, but with stress CPU (along with stressing GPU) programs it uses turbo quite comfortably without throttling around 3GHz. So you might as well shut up and stop assuming things, idiot. 3GHz Ivy bridge is in no way -4 in Seton's. I'll agree that MBP is no gaming machine, but that's mainly due to graphics which really don't matter in SupCom (it's also not up to par with high end gaming machines of course, because these turbo higher). Test it before you comment, because I'm sure you didn't.

Test it in Setons before you start the name calling. 3ghz at 1 hours will be way behind. I also don't think you will have all cores running at 3ghz at 1 hour on Setons. I don't have a MBP. My comments were about how a MBP will run 4v4 not how a MBP benchmarks on synthetics.

Statistics: Posted by ThinkTank — 05 Jun 2015, 21:27

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-05T19:59:02+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
Aurion wrote:
E8400-CV wrote:It's only 3 GHz because Apple uses the cheapest i7's....

Unless you sell a kidney so you can afford the higher clocked versions

No need to sell a kidney; just don't buy Apple.

Look here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... C_22_nm.29

Even cheapest (4700MQ) turbos to 3.4 on two cores. The almost identical 4810MQ to 3.7

You said it sits around 3 GHz, which is rather poor, it's only using a small portion of it's Turbo.

It turbos more, but I mentioned a low average. Mine is not Haswell, but Ivy bridge. I also don't really use it for gaming, but for developing. The main reasons I have this MBP is because of the touchpad and Unix/Linux-ish OS that I personally like to develop on (I'm considering some Linux distribution for my next laptop though and I think touchpads nowadays are a little better on the average decent laptops).

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 05 Jun 2015, 19:59

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-05T16:59:26+02:00

Aurion wrote:
E8400-CV wrote:It's only 3 GHz because Apple uses the cheapest i7's....

Unless you sell a kidney so you can afford the higher clocked versions

No need to sell a kidney; just don't buy Apple.

Look here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... C_22_nm.29

Even cheapest (4700MQ) turbos to 3.4 on two cores. The almost identical 4810MQ to 3.7

You said it sits around 3 GHz, which is rather poor, it's only using a small portion of it's Turbo.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 05 Jun 2015, 16:59

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-05T09:31:13+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
It's only 3 GHz because Apple uses the cheapest i7's....

Unless you sell a kidney so you can afford the higher clocked versions

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 05 Jun 2015, 09:31

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-04T16:41:54+02:00

Aurion wrote:
ThinkTank wrote:It doesn't have the clock speed. A mac book pro will run -4 in setons. Maybe worse at 1 hour with a retina display. Test it before you comment. MBP is not a gaming machine in any way.

I'm in the possession of one and I don't have experience with that Setons example, but with stress CPU (along with stressing GPU) programs it uses turbo quite comfortably without throttling around 3GHz. So you might as well shut up and stop assuming things, idiot. 3GHz Ivy bridge is in no way -4 in Seton's. I'll agree that MBP is no gaming machine, but that's mainly due to graphics which really don't matter in SupCom (it's also not up to par with high end gaming machines of course, because these turbo higher). Test it before you comment, because I'm sure you didn't.

It's only 3 GHz because Apple uses the cheapest i7's....

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 04 Jun 2015, 16:41

Re: Screens. UHD

2015-06-03T17:13:47+02:00

Thx for the link.

That looks okayish to play.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 03 Jun 2015, 17:13