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Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-08T21:07:09+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
Hellcat wrote:I would really enjoy to see this rush on a replay as you said V - should be hard to counter as it's not that obvious when scouting i guess

I've done it only a very few times.
It's a very high risk in a game filled with good players, and as Gala said, it's hard to hide it from them as well lol.

But it is totally feasible against med players. It's one favourite of Syndicalist strats when he's back as cybran. Try to look up for some of his replays.
Have a t1 eng (can't afford so many, as I think it takes -2100 or -2500E) assisting the acu taxes you less on E so that you can pump out at least some asf to protect from epic bombing, while getting the tele. Thats the 20ish min method. If it allows you to snipe gala in a setons ( ) , it's worth it!

Do note though , that with the current meta, with very fast RAS, its unlikely your team would survive 15min without air, if you try the "I go full retard laser" way instead of the "sneaky slow" way.

Hard to survive even 5 min without air at some points.

I wonder how much time is required to get t3 ACU + laser (no tele) and one land stealth + t2 transport. Then laser up air player's ass, followed by base+tml building in the back of the opponent xD.

Hard to survive even 5 minutes without air at some points in the battle.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 08 May 2015, 21:07

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-07T09:55:24+02:00

Hellcat wrote:
I would really enjoy to see this rush on a replay as you said V - should be hard to counter as it's not that obvious when scouting i guess

I've done it only a very few times.
It's a very high risk in a game filled with good players, and as Gala said, it's hard to hide it from them as well lol.

But it is totally feasible against med players. It's one favourite of Syndicalist strats when he's back as cybran. Try to look up for some of his replays.
Have a t1 eng (can't afford so many, as I think it takes -2100 or -2500E) assisting the acu taxes you less on E so that you can pump out at least some asf to protect from epic bombing, while getting the tele. Thats the 20ish min method. If it allows you to snipe gala in a setons ( ) , it's worth it!

Do note though , that with the current meta, with very fast RAS, its unlikely your team would survive 15min without air, if you try the "I go full retard laser" way instead of the "sneaky slow" way.

I wonder how much time is required to get t3 ACU + laser (no tele) and one land stealth + t2 transport. Then laser up air player's ass, followed by base+tml building in the back of the opponent xD.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 07 May 2015, 09:55

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-06T15:30:17+02:00

Im always too busy teching up my mexes to get to Tele in under 25 min. The only time I want to use it really is for suicide run anyway where my odds of living are less than 50% anyway.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 06 May 2015, 15:30

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-06T15:00:09+02:00

Hellcat wrote:
I would really enjoy to see this rush on a replay as you said V - should be hard to counter as it's not that obvious when scouting i guess

It is incredibly obvious for an experienced air player to tell if enemy is going tele laser or not. Non-air players have a better chance at being un-noticed, if the air player pauses some air and manually feeds energy.

Statistics: Posted by galacticfear — 06 May 2015, 15:00

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-06T12:51:40+02:00

I would really enjoy to see this rush on a replay as you said V - should be hard to counter as it's not that obvious when scouting i guess

Statistics: Posted by Hellcat — 06 May 2015, 12:51

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-06T12:33:40+02:00

possible in 15-16 min on setons if not making ASF
roughly 20-21 min while making a minumum of asf so that you're not bombed to death.

Enjoy

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 06 May 2015, 12:33

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-06T12:02:27+02:00

Why do we need air as cybran when you can Tele

Statistics: Posted by Hellcat — 06 May 2015, 12:02

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-05T20:26:34+02:00

So you are saying Cybran ASFs are the best?

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 05 May 2015, 20:26

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-04T19:01:52+02:00

I already did, and it was mostly random. You can make it less random by having a good 1st path.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 04 May 2015, 19:01

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-04T18:28:54+02:00

keyser wrote:
it's the same for all asf ithilis.

this effect is same for all, that asf whiteout any micro win against micro, but, and what is only for cybran is that when bout player do same, then cybran win. same number, same strategy and cybran all time win. Have hour and something long testing, and was very surprising when was see how strong it is, especialy with cybran. Try it in sandbox, I understand that its hard to believe

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 04 May 2015, 18:28

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-04T18:25:07+02:00

it's the same for all asf ithilis.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 04 May 2015, 18:25

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-04T18:06:21+02:00

host sandbox, cheat cybran 50 asf, and 50 non cybran for oponent, say oponent to micro them as good as he know. you only let cybran asf whiteout any attention. Cybran all time win. Its total new level of microing air - micro whiteout any attention

when you dont micro them then cybran is strongest and as a bonus have stealth.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 04 May 2015, 18:06

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-04T16:59:52+02:00

Having weaker asf, and then need to pay addictional resources to mantain stealth does not really help to win air engagement...

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 04 May 2015, 16:59

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-04T16:25:16+02:00

Energy cost is nearly nothing for comparing that advantage. its rare when player have more as 50asf = 1250energy for maintenance =1620mass investment for energy what is price of 1 perci and something.. = nearly nothing for be invisible on radar.

Scout don't annihilate stealth, asf with stealth annihilate scouting and opposite team is blind. When shoot down 8 scout mass investment for stealth is back.

use stealth, its op

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 04 May 2015, 16:25

Re: Why is Cybran T3 Awful? "AIR"

2015-05-04T05:04:19+02:00

Ithilis_Quo wrote:
Also cybran have stealth what is potencial huge advantage that none use (no idea why)

obvious. humongous E costs.

On a very known map, such as setons, it's often obvious where your opponent is, and adding t3 spies almost annihilates the stealth.
On one map where it's much more messy such as wonder and snipe shit can happen anywhere (and you need to save everyone because of no share), spamming regular t1 scouts is well worth the price , and enough to annihilate the stealth.

Stealth is much more useful on strats than on asf.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 04 May 2015, 05:04