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Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-05-02T01:25:15+02:00

It's similar to not being able to see the edge of shields if you have view but you can't see the generator itself and of course Monkey and GC beams. Really you should be able to see all of these things if you have view of where the laser/shield is even if you can't see the source unit. It comes back to just another engine thing.

Statistics: Posted by Deering — 02 May 2015, 01:25

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-05-01T21:05:00+02:00

Okay so let me be specific, Plasma_Wolf:

1) The Cybran T2 PD and the Seraphim T2 PD beam is invisible in the graphics view (non-strategic level of zoom where icons override models)
2) Cybran T2 PD has a visible "shell" icon in the strategic view
3) The Seraphim T2 PD has no "shell" icon in the strategic view

4) Seraphim T2 PD was not intentionally to lack the following:
a) A visible beam in non-strategic level zoom and in strategic-level
b) A visible "shell" in strategic view?

Is it 4) a) or 4) b) that's not intended?

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 01 May 2015, 21:05

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-05-01T17:33:29+02:00

No, it wasn't intended.

The Cybran T2PD HAD this invisible beam issue as well. Those beams were continuous as well, instead of objects (pulse lasers). The same case for the Rhino heavy tank. The reason that those were changed was because of a more problematic bug, which is that the T2 PD and the Rhino missed 30-60% of the shots despite the fact that there was no obstruction like a hill at all.

The seraphim PD doesn't have that bug so it wasn't changed.

That's how I remembered it.

Anyway, I think all weapons fire should be visible in one way or another. The idea "oh you can't see the beam because you can't see the source" is plain silly.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 01 May 2015, 17:33

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-05-01T16:17:39+02:00

Does anyone know if the Seraphim t2 pd was originally designed and intended to be silent and little to no noticeable effect unless you are zoomed in?

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 01 May 2015, 16:17

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-05-01T14:15:10+02:00

I think Cybran's beam should be invisible, not seraphim's,

Cybran's PD is weakest(not enough DPS to be threat), and Cybrans is stealthy faction and that laser just fit to it

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 01 May 2015, 14:15

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-05-01T12:04:07+02:00

Morax wrote:
I(not going to mention rating to avoid that war)

Morax wrote:
and the purpose of this thread is to fuel my belief that only top-level players and those who understand the mechanics VERY well should make balance input.

haha, right

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 01 May 2015, 12:04

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-05-01T11:51:17+02:00

CodingSquirrel wrote:
Even if the beam problem can't be fixed (I think I remember people saying that we would need engine access to fix it)

Didn't Icedreamer (or was it Resin?) made a mod that attempted to fix beams? It worked for Novax and Neptune IIRC

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 01 May 2015, 11:51

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-05-01T02:06:00+02:00

Isn't this the case with all laser weapons, including the ML and GC? My understanding is that the way beams were hacked in, if you can't see the source of the beam then you don't see it at all, even if part of it is out of view. I also remember about this very problem being the reason why the Cerberus effect was changed. Even if the beam problem can't be fixed (I think I remember people saying that we would need engine access to fix it) wouldn't one solution be to add a projectile effect alongside the beam? I definitely prefer the particle effect of the beam, but at least it would be something you could see if that was out of range.

Statistics: Posted by CodingSquirrel — 01 May 2015, 02:06

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-04-30T23:27:25+02:00

https://youtu.be/Y4Mufx-rIFM?t=15m38s
there you go

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 30 Apr 2015, 23:27

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-04-30T23:20:08+02:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Mufx-rIFM

you REALLY need to pay attansion to those sera t2 pds, cause you can't tell if it is shooting you or not, very very very very annoying

you often notice it when you already dead

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 30 Apr 2015, 23:20

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-04-30T23:14:54+02:00

yes and if you are zoom in, you will see the lazer only if you have vision over the T2 PD (i'm not sure of it, i will re-test that later and compare too cybran one)
but even without vision on the pd, you can still notice the effect on the unit taking the damage

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 30 Apr 2015, 23:14

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-04-30T23:01:06+02:00

As I see it, sera PD should really have a more noticeable effect. if you want to see the current one, you need to zoom in REALLY close.

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 30 Apr 2015, 23:01

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-04-30T23:00:08+02:00

keyser wrote:
well the only issue with the sera T2 pd, is that you can only the impact of the laser on your units.
if you are in strategic view, you will see nothing. Cybran/uef/aeon does have a visible "shell" when you are in strategic view.

It would be better to make the laser visible imo.

That's a good point, keyser (one how the strategic view doesn't show a "shell"), while the Cybran one does.

It could be a bug that there is no icon. It could be on purpose. We'd probably have to look at the game development notes from 2008-2009 to know why it is that way when the Seraphim faction was designed.

It really shouldn't be held under a microscope too much in my opinion. The simple solution is to understand your opponent's faction and be aware of this kind of thing:

e.g. don't make a fire base against Cybran with the intention of stopping MMLs, don't run a comm into sera t2 pds without being zoomed in so you can properly track damage taken, don't make an attack unless you know you can win else you'll just mass dump (mmmmm Monkeylord wrecks after trying to fight percies!).

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 30 Apr 2015, 23:00

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-04-30T21:19:56+02:00

How about Sera T4 Bomber, why does that thing not always drop on first pass, it hardly ever lives past first pass anyway.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 30 Apr 2015, 21:19

Re: "Damn Seraphim t2 pd bug!!!!" (emphasis on quotes)

2015-04-30T21:08:16+02:00

well the only issue with the sera T2 pd, is that you can only the impact of the laser on your units.
if you are in strategic view, you will see nothing. Cybran/uef/aeon does have a visible "shell" when you are in strategic view.

It would be better to make the laser visible imo.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 30 Apr 2015, 21:08