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Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-06-29T04:14:03+02:00

yea..

Statistics: Posted by =M.V.K.= — 29 Jun 2015, 04:14

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-06-27T07:56:11+02:00

Lol discussion about tech levels and percies vs t1. Has titan been deleted or did i miss something? Somehow if an enemy seriously is so crazy to spam t1 vs my percies then i do some titans. It is a bit comparable to seton t3 navy battle cruiser and battleship

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 27 Jun 2015, 07:56

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-06-27T04:20:01+02:00

Well, think on "ideas" of "tiers" vs "tech" as if im not mistaken for "SupCom", (used to be, was, suppose to be, or is), is based on "tiers" and of as such should be as say "practical".

At a time seems to "imply" how "Percivals" wouldn't "win" at all and im not sure for that one..by then would seem as easy to have a "Fatboy" and "actually" do some "Production".

But could be still mistaken by the means to "intend" more then "imply", sorry..

Statistics: Posted by =M.V.K.= — 27 Jun 2015, 04:20

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-05-08T17:25:49+02:00

well the issue is the space needed to have enough facto to spam lab, since T3 facto have way more BP/space. And there is the roll off time of the unit, that increase by a lot the BT of the labs.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 08 May 2015, 17:25

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-05-08T17:10:32+02:00

And you will also probably lack physical space to put your tanks ^^

I think if it really comes down to T1 spam vs Percies then maybe LABs (same dps, more speed, less mass cost) or Zthuees (more dmg per shot, more dps, more range, same cost) would perform better no ?

Now one said that no one ever does only 1 unit 100% and i have to disagree, especially with T3 UEF where everyone knows only Percy is decent. Because of that sometimes you actually see 100% percy spam without mixed T1 scouts, arties or anti-swarm units.

But even if T1 was truly OP against percy spam, you would still need to build something able to win the game after that. And T1 tanks or LABS will probably not help (at all). At least T1 arty is always good mixed with land units so i think i would chose arties anyway

Aslo i think this could be moved to the strategy/tactics subforum ?

Statistics: Posted by Poch — 08 May 2015, 17:10

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-05-04T14:49:47+02:00

68 Tanks for 1 pery? At T3 stage you gonna hit unitcap pretty soon with this.

Statistics: Posted by Hascins — 04 May 2015, 14:49

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-04-29T21:43:49+02:00

he he that's where you see the skilly guys, that pre-split their army so that when they launch the attack, their army circle opponent army and all of their unit can shoot nearly as soon as the fight begin.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 29 Apr 2015, 21:43

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-04-29T21:35:53+02:00

Even with split attack it's easier to make 5 t3 units come into range simultaneously, than to make 100 t1 tanks come into range simultaneously. With t1 a lot of the time most of your forces are not firing.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 29 Apr 2015, 21:35

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-04-29T14:28:03+02:00

Vee wrote:
But you gain other advantage by getting to higher tech.

Another important advantage is that units get "bigger" with higher dps and hp in one package. A brick that has only 1000 health left still shoots with full dps, but the combined dps of t1 tanks decreases quickly during a battle. This is also why experimentals do not totally suck vs t3 like you would expect if you look purely at the stats, and also why SCUs can be OP. You can increase that advantage with micro by going out of range with your almost dead units, so that enemy fire focuses on one of your units that still have a lot of health, and then go back in range. This is impossible to do with a big t1 army, but with a small number of t2/t3/exp/scu you can do it effectively.

Another advantage is pathfinding. A big army does not engage well.

pathfinding isn't a matter any more because of split move. but you have to be carefull about using split move against aoe weapon.

but it's true that having lot of dps in 1 unit is great. So you can engage only a part of opponent army (so you do 100% dps, and your opponent wo'nt be able to do the full dps potential of his army)

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 29 Apr 2015, 14:28

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-04-29T11:09:47+02:00

one t1 pd with walls with the percies, and your whole computation is gone.

It's all circumstantial.

just comparing mass for mass is not valid, although it's often how "balance" has been done.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 29 Apr 2015, 11:09

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-04-29T09:16:37+02:00

But you gain other advantage by getting to higher tech.

Another important advantage is that units get "bigger" with higher dps and hp in one package. A brick that has only 1000 health left still shoots with full dps, but the combined dps of t1 tanks decreases quickly during a battle. This is also why experimentals do not totally suck vs t3 like you would expect if you look purely at the stats, and also why SCUs can be OP. You can increase that advantage with micro by going out of range with your almost dead units, so that enemy fire focuses on one of your units that still have a lot of health, and then go back in range. This is impossible to do with a big t1 army, but with a small number of t2/t3/exp/scu you can do it effectively.

Another advantage is pathfinding. A big army does not engage well.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 29 Apr 2015, 09:16

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-04-29T06:31:09+02:00

Percival has stats close to aeon double gun ACU. Now tell me, can 22 tanks kill a double gun aeon ACU without overcharge?
Yes, Percival 1.7k less health, but it's same range and same dead tank every 4 seconds(as aeon ACU on big range tends to waste shots). It has more speed than ACU, which means tanks will spend more time to reach it. And same as ACU, percival will get veterancy after 20 kills, which it will make for sure.

Any way, if i will ever have situation where i have uef t3 land and my opponent has t1, i would for sure fill holes in my defence with cheap and fast titans first, obliterate t1 spam like we could see in galactic war http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcDwORmFF-o , raid expansions with them and only after i would get percivals.

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 29 Apr 2015, 06:31

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-04-29T03:21:58+02:00

1. Percies will never face a huge T1 spam. If one rushes T3 while T1 is still prominent on the field, 5 or so Titans are going to clear up the T1 spam and then the enemy will have to send higher tech units, which all get smoked by Percivals.

2. The situation you describe is slightly unrealistic, no one ever spams just one type of unit, UEF being one of the more prominent applicants of such ethos.

3. By the time T1 gets in range, most of it will be dead from Percival fire (when they're microed - and in early t3 stage they WILL be microed, given what an investment they represent).

You can try testing token weapons (how much damage can a Jester do to a Megalith before dying?)
or things like torpedo defense
or finding out how many torpedo bombers does it take to kill a Cybran destroyer or cruiser?
...

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 29 Apr 2015, 03:21

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-04-29T01:48:59+02:00

and thanks

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 29 Apr 2015, 01:48

Re: Hard Facts: Percival vs T1 Tanks

2015-04-29T01:48:43+02:00

yeah maybe one or two percies can get taken out by t1, but once you have a group proper kiting will kill everything.

which means the t1 strategy becomes hoping that they will do really stupid micro.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 29 Apr 2015, 01:48