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Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-11T18:13:20+02:00

Ah some good news! From time to time it happens

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 11 Mar 2015, 18:13

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-11T14:42:42+02:00

80 is being tested in balancepreview mod at... someone's... suggestion. Sorry I can't remember who! It also hovers a bit higher so terrain doesn't black the low-mounted gun so badly.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 11 Mar 2015, 14:42

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-11T18:14:06+02:00

I was actually checking the stats of the disruptor. It needs a serious range buff. 75 range is ridiculous and can not be really usefull in a navy battle for instance. Not cheap cost, too weak range, low HP -> 1 sec lifetime unit. Has a shot then die.

No wonder people don't build it.

At the very least, the range should be 80, same as cybran/aeon destros and as BC.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 11 Mar 2015, 06:16

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-11T03:45:21+02:00

Ithilis_Quo wrote:
yeah but you say its best counter, counter must be mass efficient , otherwise its not counter, but only stronger units.

"No non-sacu currently defeats them mass efficiently" Is what I said. Meaning yes you can only kill them inefficiently without using sacus of your own. Meaning no counter exists.

Statistics: Posted by galacticfear — 11 Mar 2015, 03:45

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T22:34:46+02:00

yeah but you say its best counter, counter must be mass efficient , otherwise its not counter, but only stronger units.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 10 Mar 2015, 22:34

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T22:24:58+02:00

I never said GC was mass efficient.

Statistics: Posted by galacticfear — 10 Mar 2015, 22:24

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T21:44:17+02:00

galacticfear wrote:
Hmmmm no I think GC is usually the best counter currently, and even that will fail with dodge laser beam abuse.

No way, rambo sacu cost about 6K mass that have 850dps and 48000 hp.

GC cost 27500 / 6000 = 4,5 rambo sacu for price of GC that is 216 000hp and 3825dps and big area damage and posibility to build and reclaim. only build time GC and sacus make differences (but rambo have adjustancy and 120bp bonus from gateway). And uef rambo are about 50% stronger as gc. rambo is counter of gc, not vice versa.

best, and only counter that aeon have are disruptor with sniper bots. Shoot them from range, when sacus go on range its K.O.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 10 Mar 2015, 21:44

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T21:30:39+02:00

But I also think aeon combatant sacus defeat UEF rambo sacus mass efficiently from testing I did anyway

Hmm i failed to reproduce that in sandbox. no micro = basic statistic. Even Table (theoric statistic) show that UEF rambo sACU are more efficient than aeon combat sACU.

for sera sACU, on paper sera sACU are stronger, but kitting/dodging OC, with UEF make them win the fight. I do agree with you.
At least sera sACU are experimental eater.

for cybran sACU, i succesfully defended UEF sACU with them. But this does require 95% of my apm in dodging. (on paper cybran sACU suck a lot vs UEF sACU, but since micro is suprer rewarding when unit have high regen, you can reduce the disavantage). I agree that UEF has a big advantage over cybran sACU.
At least cybran sACU are deadly against T3 spam and take 0 damage from fatty.

there is obviously balance to be done.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 10 Mar 2015, 21:30

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T20:31:58+02:00

keyser wrote:
Gala, i think it's good for aeon to have those tool against personal shield.

their sACU suck in fight, so having shield disruptor to nearly hard counter sera and uef sACU is a good idea imo.

keep in mind that fatty + UEF sACU is a bloody combo? (when fatty is up you have a direct counter to shield diruptor).

UEF sACU already counter GC mass efficiently. (without bug abuse). (GC can't really use his range advantage : ie, it can't kite) (and tractor claw doesn't work, reducing greatly his dps...)

I would say harby spam is better way to go, but need split up to avoid aoe. (Maybe GC + harby spam is best way to go)
I don't really know about sniper bot though.

Oh I think it is good that aeon would be able to defeat UEF sacus with disruptors, however cybran/sera will still fail horribly. But I also think aeon combatant sacus defeat UEF rambo sacus mass efficiently from testing I did anyway, if unmicro'd. No non-sacu currently defeats them mass efficienctly, I said GC simply because its easier than making 2948172498714 t3 units or gunships.

Statistics: Posted by galacticfear — 10 Mar 2015, 20:31

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T20:08:57+02:00

Gala, i think it's good for aeon to have those tool against personal shield.

their sACU suck in fight, so having shield disruptor to nearly hard counter sera and uef sACU is a good idea imo.

keep in mind that fatty + UEF sACU is a bloody combo? (when fatty is up you have a direct counter to shield diruptor).

UEF sACU already counter GC mass efficiently. (without bug abuse). (GC can't really use his range advantage : ie, it can't kite) (and tractor claw doesn't work, reducing greatly his dps...)

I would say harby spam is better way to go, but need split up to avoid aoe. (Maybe GC + harby spam is best way to go)
I don't really know about sniper bot though.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 10 Mar 2015, 20:08

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T19:53:43+02:00

Ithilis_Quo wrote:
galacticfear wrote:Hmmm if disruptors worked against personal shields they would probably become the best counter vs UEF rambo sacus

they are only counter that aeon have.

Hmmmm no I think GC is usually the best counter currently, and even that will fail with dodge laser beam abuse.

Statistics: Posted by galacticfear — 10 Mar 2015, 19:53

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T12:14:02+02:00

galacticfear wrote:
Hmmm if disruptors worked against personal shields they would probably become the best counter vs UEF rambo sacus

they are only counter that aeon have.

in past it was working, but was made change of buble shield, when now personal sield dont recive dmg, when buble shield over do. and something change. So it is not about lets make op disruptor, but about fix bug that occur.

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 10 Mar 2015, 12:14

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T11:39:36+02:00

Funny... never noticed shows how many people use shield disruptors.
TA was once complaining about shielddisruptors not dealing dmg vs. shielded ACU, i thought he'd just been mad cause he lost

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 10 Mar 2015, 11:39

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-10T06:08:27+02:00

Hmmm if disruptors worked against personal shields they would probably become the best counter vs UEF rambo sacus until they are also rebalanced at least.

Statistics: Posted by galacticfear — 10 Mar 2015, 06:08

Re: disruptor -personal shield bug

2015-03-08T16:10:57+02:00

The correct fix is to do the bloody thing properly. Why the actual weapon is not passed to OnDamage, just the Instigator, I will never know, but it's being really restrictive. I can't actually work out how the existing system even functioned, the logic chain seems to break half-way through!

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 08 Mar 2015, 16:10