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Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-24T00:08:47+02:00

zeroAPM wrote:
Best t1, good t2, very good t3, VERY good SACUs, cheap experimentals that can be rushed easily and wreck a opponent...

Is it just me or Cybrans did got some very nice gifts handed to them?

You can say that about every faction,like ; uef best t1 good t2 very good t3, very good SCUs and very good experimentals for lategame... It's mostly down to opinion, and maybe a bit down to the fact that cybran is overplayed. Overplayed isn't overpowered.
Every faction has some tactics that people always debate about being OP or not. Zthuees are hated by most non-sera players for example.

Statistics: Posted by D4E_Omit — 24 Jan 2015, 00:08

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-23T22:40:42+02:00

Best t1, good t2, very good t3, VERY good SACUs, cheap experimentals that can be rushed easily and wreck a opponent...

Is it just me or Cybrans did got some very nice gifts handed to them?

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 23 Jan 2015, 22:40

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-23T13:56:34+02:00

cybran sacu are as good as uef ones.
they are even better vs T3 land.

btw T3 uef land is better than cybran. But a rush sacu for cybran can hard counter that.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 23 Jan 2015, 13:56

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-23T06:54:16+02:00

Cybran have by far the best Land T3 if you ask me... Loyalist mixed with bricks plus the new T3 mobile AA... in large numbers can defeat almost anything else in the land.

Want to really talk about faction problems, lets talk about UEF rambos... hands DOWN best land unit period. 750 DPS, 50k EHP or more i think... AoE (a massive positive)... regen that is very good... great range... omni... abliity to reclaim... leaves no wrecks for enemy... small and easy to pack in.... can shit out sams if needed... All for under 10k mass... once you get these, if you are making any other t3 units for ground combat you are wasting your mass.

Statistics: Posted by Typo91 — 23 Jan 2015, 06:54

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-21T09:33:40+02:00

keyser wrote:
Thing is, as cybran you should have won before needing t3 arty. If you expect the game to reach this stage, choose another faction.

I don't agree with you. every faction should be able to compete with other faction at every stage of the game.
and why especially cybran should be a faction where you need to win fast ? why not the same for the other faction ?

Well it's not like it's completely impossible. It's harder with cybran. So ?
I see nothing wrong with that.

They are overall stronger on t1-t2 and on t3 they are behind, yes, and BTW this is not new at all. Been like that since 3599 FA...

Cybran spirit is meant to be fast, agressive, offensive faction, with stealth on top of this.

Who dare to say cybran is meant to endure high length games. Please look at their shields for instance... Common sense anyone ?

They're still NOT HOPELESS late game, just not at their forte, and again nothing wrong. Welcome to faction diversity.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 21 Jan 2015, 09:33

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-21T01:33:15+02:00

Having perfectly-accurate artillery just turns it into an instant game-ender, really.
Remember from vanilla SC when the mavor could 1-shot an ACU with perfect accuracy? The target never even got a chance to launch an attack to take it out. The randomness definitely adds to the fun-factor, as do inter-faction differences.

Statistics: Posted by ckitching — 21 Jan 2015, 01:33

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-20T20:05:56+02:00

Looks like no one likes diversity, let's have 1 faction and copy pa, cause you know that turned out well.

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 20 Jan 2015, 20:05

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-20T17:23:30+02:00

Rogueleader89 wrote:
Agreed every faction should be able to compete with every other faction at every stage in the game, you don't balance a game by making factions better at different points, otherwise the faction that is best the earliest is the faction that should always win.

You mean Cybrans in most maps?

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 20 Jan 2015, 17:23

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-20T16:36:19+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
Yeah , a lot of crap there.

Thing is, as cybran you should have won before needing t3 arty. If you expect the game to reach this stage, choose another faction.

this is just totaly stupid!

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 20 Jan 2015, 16:36

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-20T15:43:56+02:00

Rogueleader89 wrote:
Agreed every faction should be able to compete with every other faction at every stage in the game, you don't balance a game by making factions better at different points, otherwise the faction that is best the earliest is the faction that should always win.

Now that I'm clear that we are talking about t3 stationary artillery, I don't think I've used it since coming on FAF, perhaps a buff is in order, no idea, never use it, never see it, scathis is insanely more common. My only comment on it at this point is if you are going to buff it, buff it in a distinctly cybran way, don't make it a copy of the other faction's t3 artillery, I'd rather it fire faster or do greater splash damage than it increase in accuracy and just end up being the cybran variant of some other faction's artillery.

As long as it doesnt turn into a stationary Scathis.

Statistics: Posted by NodCommander — 20 Jan 2015, 15:43

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-20T15:32:56+02:00

Agreed every faction should be able to compete with every other faction at every stage in the game, you don't balance a game by making factions better at different points, otherwise the faction that is best the earliest is the faction that should always win.

Now that I'm clear that we are talking about t3 stationary artillery, I don't think I've used it since coming on FAF, perhaps a buff is in order, no idea, never use it, never see it, scathis is insanely more common. My only comment on it at this point is if you are going to buff it, buff it in a distinctly cybran way, don't make it a copy of the other faction's t3 artillery, I'd rather it fire faster or do greater splash damage than it increase in accuracy and just end up being the cybran variant of some other faction's artillery.

Statistics: Posted by Rogueleader89 — 20 Jan 2015, 15:32

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-20T14:59:07+02:00

Thing is, as cybran you should have won before needing t3 arty. If you expect the game to reach this stage, choose another faction.

I don't agree with you. every faction should be able to compete with other faction at every stage of the game.
and why especially cybran should be a faction where you need to win fast ? why not the same for the other faction ?

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 20 Jan 2015, 14:59

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-20T08:23:01+02:00

Yeah , a lot of crap there.

Thing is, as cybran you should have won before needing t3 arty. If you expect the game to reach this stage, choose another faction.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 20 Jan 2015, 08:23

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-19T20:05:43+02:00

To make the Cybran T3 artillery more competitive give it more range. One of the Emissary's 'roles' is counter artillery, so it makes sense that it has a longer range than the others. But fifty, seventy-five, or even a hundred or so range more. Not two hundred more. Look at the other factions. The Seraphim T3 artillery has close to the same range as an Emissary, and the Duke has a notably shorter range than the Emissary, but UEF has the Novax, so...

Or you could make it cheaper still. Right now it's cheaper than an Emissary by about two or three Bricks. Whoop-de-fricken-do.

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 19 Jan 2015, 20:05

Re: T3 artillery : Time to eliminate the RNG?

2015-01-19T17:32:45+02:00

ZeRen wrote:
Sovietpride wrote: grumbling of inability of the revenant to kill t2mexes in one pass aside.

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this is sad. give to all strats some more dmg, so cyb strat could kill T2 mex (I think it need only little bit more dmg - not big difference)

where is the down vote button ?

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 19 Jan 2015, 17:32