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Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-13T23:43:57+02:00

The bug isn't that engies don't reclaim when you are full bar on mass (although that could still be useful if you just want to deny mass to your opponent), the bug is that if your mass reserves drop below full bar any engies already on reclaim via attack move won't start reclaiming again.

Statistics: Posted by Neutrino — 13 Jan 2015, 23:43

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-13T23:09:08+02:00

Neutrino wrote:
Thanks Sheeo, that's exactly what was happening.

That would be a really nice bug to be able to fix.

bug?
if storage is full why reclaim, that's a waste of perfectly good ressources that will be gone from the map forever.

Statistics: Posted by tatsu — 13 Jan 2015, 23:09

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-12T18:42:19+02:00

IceDreamer wrote:
I suppose we COULD give engies an engie-only attack-move which only reclaims

that would be awesome

IceDreamer wrote:
but we could not make it restart when your mass runs low. If you want that behaviour, use patrol.

that is ok as it is now

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 12 Jan 2015, 18:42

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-12T17:47:28+02:00

Neutrino wrote:
But do please fix the bug with attack move not restarting reclaim once your mass bar is no longer maxed.

The problem here is that this isn't a bug, it's intended. The unit finished its order, the order being attack-MOVE. The issue is that this command was never reaaaally intended for this purpose, but now it's used for basically nothing else.

I suppose we COULD give engies an engie-only attack-move which only reclaims, but we could not make it restart when your mass runs low. If you want that behaviour, use patrol.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 12 Jan 2015, 17:47

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-12T17:00:46+02:00

I was going to say something similar. Attack move is very useful because I can send one or two of my first engies out on a reclaim path which when they have completed the path parks them at a location in my base where I can immediately spot that they have completed that reclaim assignment and are now ready for new duties.

Reclaim patrol on the other hand is far less useful in that capacity since the engineers will just carry on round the same patrol indefinitely trying to reclaim ground that has nothing left to reclaim.

But do please fix the bug with attack move not restarting reclaim once your mass bar is no longer maxed.

And if you are going to be adjusting the patrol behaviour then please please please change it so that engineers on assist/reclaim patrol only wander about half as far from their route as they currently do. Assist patrol is pretty much useless atm because engies assigned to patrol a base to repair units will happily wander a T1 PD range outside the base where they inevitably get destroyed by marauding hostiles.

Statistics: Posted by Neutrino — 12 Jan 2015, 17:00

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-12T16:01:18+02:00

IceDreamer wrote:
Long run I want to look at implementing a toggle cycle similar to the fire-states button for this. Attack-Move will work exactly as it does right now, and should be used accordingly. Patrol will have a cycle of 'All, Reclaim, Repair, Assist' so you can toggle behaviour on the fly. In my head, we also adjust the patrol function so that it will reclaim at full manual speed automatically, leaving no real reason to use Attack-Move for Engineers, as using it makes very little sense just going by the name :p

attack move is better, when engi reclaim all mass on his path he will be idle so I can se he is idle and give him another task, with patrol he just circling

you can rename it to reclaim move

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 12 Jan 2015, 16:01

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-12T15:22:31+02:00

I have noticed this too, the reclaim problem and also assisting mexes. Like you will have engineers assisting three different mexes and crashing you're eco and it is hard to see why until you see the little shits all assisting a different mex In theory it's a nice idea but there is no way the AI could judge what state you're economy is in and react accordingly, so it should just be removed from the AI behaviour.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 12 Jan 2015, 15:22

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-11T22:18:09+02:00

Long run I want to look at implementing a toggle cycle similar to the fire-states button for this. Attack-Move will work exactly as it does right now, and should be used accordingly. Patrol will have a cycle of 'All, Reclaim, Repair, Assist' so you can toggle behaviour on the fly. In my head, we also adjust the patrol function so that it will reclaim at full manual speed automatically, leaving no real reason to use Attack-Move for Engineers, as using it makes very little sense just going by the name :p

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 11 Jan 2015, 22:18

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-11T21:39:45+02:00

Lionhardt wrote:
Is it still planned to make roaming engies not auto assist mexes that are paused btw? This is so incredibly annoying.

you mean patrol or attack move? I am for attack move or both

btw. engis doing also repairing, assisting factories and mexes(not paused), pls remove this too

btw2. my idea:
attack move/patrol - only reclaim
repair patrol - only repair - would work same way like patrol button,, but by using assist button
assist patrol - only assisting - would work same way like patrol button, but by using assist button

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 11 Jan 2015, 21:39

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-11T19:55:31+02:00

Lionhardt wrote:
Is it still planned to make roaming engies not auto assist mexes that are paused btw? This is so incredibly annoying.

This!

Statistics: Posted by PsychoBoB — 11 Jan 2015, 19:55

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-11T18:39:43+02:00

Is it still planned to make roaming engies not auto assist mexes that are paused btw? This is so incredibly annoying.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 11 Jan 2015, 18:39

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-11T18:01:59+02:00

Thanks Sheeo, that's exactly what was happening.

That would be a really nice bug to be able to fix.

Statistics: Posted by Neutrino — 11 Jan 2015, 18:01

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-11T15:35:37+02:00

Engineers on attackmove will stop reclaiming when your storage is full.

Unfortunately they will not restart once you're lacking resources again.

Statistics: Posted by Sheeo — 11 Jan 2015, 15:35

Re: Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-11T15:23:57+02:00

I restarted FAF and now it's working again. That's odd. Thinking about it I've seen this happen a couple of times now, reclaim just stops working for some reason, but then is working again when I restart.

Anyone else seen this?

Statistics: Posted by Neutrino — 11 Jan 2015, 15:23

Engineer attack move, what's going on?

2015-01-11T15:17:55+02:00

Engineer attack move is no longer reclaiming anything, this occurs irrespective of whether you create an attack move route for a specific engineer or if you set up an attack move route from a factory.

Why is this?

Statistics: Posted by Neutrino — 11 Jan 2015, 15:17