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Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-17T19:04:34+02:00

From my experience shards dominate t1 air pretty hard in 1v1, smaller maps of course.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 17 Jan 2015, 19:04

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-17T18:54:42+02:00

It isn't best air defence. Aeon practicly have worst t1-early t2 naval aa options because other factions have aa on frigates, while aeon need to mix in these boats. You may see how obselite this unit is: old setons player doesn't even know what it is...

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 17 Jan 2015, 18:54

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-17T18:30:40+02:00

I've heard it mentioned a few times how Aeon has the best air. If that were true might that offset to a certain extent that their navy doesn't have the best AA defense? Not suggesting the Shard doesn't need a buff, just something to consider.

Statistics: Posted by Neutrino — 17 Jan 2015, 18:30

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-17T18:26:24+02:00

Aeon t1 aa boat.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 17 Jan 2015, 18:26

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-17T18:10:08+02:00

wtf is shard ? I only got the french names of the units

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 17 Jan 2015, 18:10

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-17T16:00:42+02:00

I was that one who cry about how uneffective shard is. only hp buff is not enought. It need more dps. already it have less dps as single interceptor and same mass on interceptors would have much more hp and dps as shard. that is stupid

In my balance list i take him 800hp(alive 1 bomber pass) and 50dps (as T1 interceptor)

+ aeon frigate, is most expensive, and most ussles
in my balance list i give aeon frigate 290mas->280mass dps 2x28->2x32

Statistics: Posted by Ithilis_Quo — 17 Jan 2015, 16:00

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-17T15:02:17+02:00

The shard. I remember somebody was raging on forum about this ship being too ineffective. What do you think?

I believe this unit, that is supposed to give aa support doesn't do it's role. The reason for this is that shard has same hp, as torp bomber does damage. So torp bomber costs like 2 of these and takes out both. In bigger numbers shadrs eventually overwhelm torp bombers, but you got to assume, that your fleet will never consist only from shards - there will be units to protect from air. I think this unit needs hp buff to 800 (though probably 751 would be enough to make torp bombers cry )

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 17 Jan 2015, 15:02

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-16T02:15:56+02:00

Neutrino wrote:
I had no idea there was such a large damage difference. Extra muzzle velocity on the AA is nice too.

This is why people need actually learn about what they're talking about.

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 16 Jan 2015, 02:15

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-16T01:30:01+02:00

I had no idea there was such a large damage difference. Extra muzzle velocity on the AA is nice too.

Statistics: Posted by Neutrino — 16 Jan 2015, 01:30

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-16T00:47:17+02:00

Not useless, but not worth it compared to the advantages of the cybran frigate...http://content.faforever.com/faf/unitsD ... 03,UES0103

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 16 Jan 2015, 00:47

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-16T00:43:12+02:00

Cybran frigates instead of UEF, really? Is the radar jammer useless then?

Statistics: Posted by Neutrino — 16 Jan 2015, 00:43

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-15T23:43:26+02:00

What would you mix in your navy then? Seems to me that you still want to spam UEF units for the most part: battleships, battlecruisers, shields, and frigates. OK cybran frigates instead of uef frigates, and cybran t3 sonar and aeon shield disruptors, but the main issue here is UEF.

If you want to make navy mixing have no advantage, then the only option is to completely remove faction diversity. As soon as you have faction diversity navy mixing becomes advantageous.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 15 Jan 2015, 23:43

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-15T23:17:24+02:00

I don't think navy mixing needs to be taken that much into account because if a team does it the other team usually responds with their own mixing.

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 15 Jan 2015, 23:17

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-15T21:40:53+02:00

Aulex wrote:
I think you guys need to balance with a well mixed navy instead of pointing out individual units. If you mix uef navy properly vs a let's say sera navy or cyb vs aeon, etc. which wins, where are the weakness, do the weakness balance with the strengths, can a faction spam a specific unit or a specific set rather than a proper mix to counter a well mixed navy, etc. This game isn't x vs y, it's a proper mix vs a proper mix.

good point of order.

setons players will in a gentlemanly manner avoid using two or more races in navy.

why? because it gives an unfair advantage.

on land and in air, unit variety comming together and playing to each other's strengths never gives a boost quite as comparable as navy mix.

in navy, it's just another world.

it doesn't matter that you are pumping as much or more eco into navy then your opponent when he is mixing.

can anything be done so that the getleman's rule be made obsolete. and that mixing navy be as good as using one race?

Statistics: Posted by tatsu — 15 Jan 2015, 21:40

Re: Naval Balance Discussion

2015-01-15T18:10:11+02:00

With speed and size it can be microed to avoid most of shots from destroyers. It doesn't miss itself due to beam weapons, costs less, has more dps/mass and minimal overkill, which allows it to slaughter t1 navy and hover spam.

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 15 Jan 2015, 18:10