Forged Alliance Forever Forged Alliance Forever Forums 2015-07-13T22:56:56+02:00 /feed.php?f=2&t=8969 2015-07-13T22:56:56+02:00 2015-07-13T22:56:56+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=104214#p104214 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]> Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 13 Jul 2015, 22:56


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2015-07-13T22:22:23+02:00 2015-07-13T22:22:23+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=104207#p104207 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
KD7BCH wrote:
Tied for slowest is not slowest.


Lol, are you going to fight every word?

KD7BCH wrote:
You can be tied for fastest too and FX-8350 is not an FX-6350 anymore an i7 is a pentium 4 or core 2 duo.


My apologies, your FX-8350 is 62% of the i7 5820K in Cinebench.

KD7BCH wrote:
The game I played with Brink, the short game FX never dropped below +5 and was never 3 slower. Point me to a frame where it was. EV You need to back up your shit bro. Even Brink has continued to play in games with me because it's been debunked so you ain't nothing special with your intel is the best statements, they are all over the web.


They are all over the web, because they are right. Perhaps you can look for that frame yourself. Brink also made you aware of it in the chat.

KD7BCH wrote:
Suggesting people spend money on a dual core cpu rig for gaming today is just stupid. May as well suggest they pick up the fastest single core pentium 4 they can while you are at it.


No, the P4's are not even half of the i5 in single core performance.

KD7BCH wrote:
If you look at Intel's 6 core line up of i7s they are all around or over $400. i7 5820 is no exception. For $400 you can have 6 faster cores, or for $165 you can have 8 slower cores that encoding about 25% slower. So for less than the HALF THE COST I can get 75-80% of the performance, yeah I think I'll stick with FX-8350.


Your bullshit-bin keeps getting bigger and bigger...
http://nl.hardware.info/vergelijkingsta ... ngstabel-2

KD7BCH wrote:
This thread was never about i7, it was about i5, but the FX nearly keeps pace with the i5 4790K.


That would be i5 4690K, and no, your FX doesn't keep pace.

KD7BCH wrote:
BRNKoINSANITY wrote:KD7BCH, I would greatly appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. You still have a slow CPU, and I happened to join a game you were in because I got invited by a friend. I am sad that the game was dissolved due to network issues because with that group we would have actually had a decent game that would have shown your true speed. Disregarding the CPU issue (which is admittedly not THAT bad in noob game situations) I try not to play with people with your type of attitude.


Attitude is akin to Ubuntu, my attitude is my attitude, due to you, your and other's attitudes towards my representation of facts, backed by evidence, which you and others on here dismiss outright.


You have no evidence, that's the problem. All this time you are trolling around here, you provided zero videos of late game stuff.

KD7BCH wrote:
When I said in a game of 8-10 players I am not the slowest, that is true. I have shown examples.


You showed shared slowest.

KD7BCH wrote:
In a game when I play with 4 I am typically tied with first or 2nd. I have shown that as well.


You were in fact tied for last.

KD7BCH wrote:
I have shown time and time again that the FX can play with the essentially the same simspeed as current i5's. I have also shown that FX is never more than 2 lower than the cpu you run with and I have not hacked any values as someone suggested, I have no idea even how. The reason I suggested FX as an alternative to pentium is FX can game in many other modern programs alternative to a dual core of any kind. In the years from 2015 to 2020 a dual core is not a good investment, even a fast dual core.


Not relevant to FAF.

KD7BCH wrote:
You say I have a slow cpu, what I think you mean to say is in FA it is slightly slower than yours, oh yeah in a "noob gaming situation" which of course has the same unit limit of 1000 as does the pro gaming limit right, except the CPU knows its a noob game so it plays ok, once we get in a pro situation then it will slow down, BECAUSE YOU SAY SO. LOL


Noob games where people build 500 mass fabs have a totally different CPU load compared to a game where a few people build 500 air units.

The game with that arty you showed is a good example. Nothing going on there.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 13 Jul 2015, 22:22


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2015-07-13T14:05:16+02:00 2015-07-13T14:05:16+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=104128#p104128 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
BRNKoINSANITY wrote:
KD7BCH, I would greatly appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. You still have a slow CPU, and I happened to join a game you were in because I got invited by a friend. I am sad that the game was dissolved due to network issues because with that group we would have actually had a decent game that would have shown your true speed. Disregarding the CPU issue (which is admittedly not THAT bad in noob game situations) I try not to play with people with your type of attitude.


Attitude is akin to Ubuntu, my attitude is my attitude, due to you, your and other's attitudes towards my representation of facts, backed by evidence, which you and others on here dismiss outright.

When I said in a game of 8-10 players I am not the slowest, that is true. I have shown examples.

In a game when I play with 4 I am typically tied with first or 2nd. I have shown that as well.

I have shown time and time again that the FX can play with the essentially the same simspeed as current i5's. I have also shown that FX is never more than 2 lower than the cpu you run with and I have not hacked any values as someone suggested, I have no idea even how. The reason I suggested FX as an alternative to pentium is FX can game in many other modern programs alternative to a dual core of any kind. In the years from 2015 to 2020 a dual core is not a good investment, even a fast dual core.

You say I have a slow cpu, what I think you mean to say is in FA it is slightly slower than yours, oh yeah in a "noob gaming situation" which of course has the same unit limit of 1000 as does the pro gaming limit right, except the CPU knows its a noob game so it plays ok, once we get in a pro situation then it will slow down, BECAUSE YOU SAY SO. LOL

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 13 Jul 2015, 14:05


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2015-07-13T12:37:54+02:00 2015-07-13T12:37:54+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=104118#p104118 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]> Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 13 Jul 2015, 12:37


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2015-07-13T09:37:40+02:00 2015-07-13T09:37:40+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=104098#p104098 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
Suggesting people spend money on a dual core cpu rig for gaming today is just stupid. May as well suggest they pick up the fastest single core pentium 4 they can while you are at it.

If you look at Intel's 6 core line up of i7s they are all around or over $400. i7 5820 is no exception. For $400 you can have 6 faster cores, or for $165 you can have 8 slower cores that encoding about 25% slower. So for less than the HALF THE COST I can get 75-80% of the performance, yeah I think I'll stick with FX-8350.

This thread was never about i7, it was about i5, but the FX nearly keeps pace with the i5 4790K.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 13 Jul 2015, 09:37


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2015-07-13T04:22:03+02:00 2015-07-13T04:22:03+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=104087#p104087 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
KD7BCH wrote:
E8400-CV wrote:I watched your Youtube clip, and again this one proves none of what you said, lol.

A game that lasts <30 min means nothing.

And the whole time Cel_Veers was lagging in that game, connection lagging. Giving your FX the time to cool down :mrgreen:

And in fact, you were at times the shared slowest player.


I may have been the "Shared Slowest player" keeping right up with i5's just like I said.


Isn't that funny? Now you just admit you're bullshitting around in this thread.

KD7BCH wrote:
Meanwhile you guys are maxing out your cpu gaming


Euh, no

KD7BCH wrote:
and I'm doing a encode render on 4 of my cores while gaming on two more than the other 2 are on smoke break so tell me another one.


I'll tell you another one; those 4 cores are as fast as 2 of the i5's, the one running FAF does it a lot faster than your FX.

KD7BCH wrote:
AND AND AND it wasn't me lagging it right? DUH like I said all along, and It doesn't work like that LOL, your cpu doesn't stop processing just because someone else is lagging.


Yes, another bullshit example with too few units and a too short game.

KD7BCH wrote:
I also showed you games, i.e. more than one. that lasted over an hour but you suggested I was non entitled to my opinion backed by video proof which I'll leave as fact that it is in fact true FX-8350 keeps up alright.


Haha, not once have you shown a real late game with some real action going on.

KD7BCH wrote:
So whatever. You have all the proof you need.


Which is me remembering your lag. End of story.

KD7BCH wrote:
Your i5 is also more than 25% more costly than FX and you won't make that back in energy savings unless you plan on keeping your cpu for about 8-10 years.


I already refuted that bullshit above, showing it's more like 3 years.

KD7BCH wrote:
I upgrade on a 3-4 year cycle.


With Intel you don't have to upgrade that often, for the simple reasons you could buy the current AMD performance with Intel >4 years ago. Per-year costs are lower! I bought my i5 2500K in 2011, when your FX wasn't even around. We're four years later and it's still faster in FAF than anything AMD has to offer.

KD7BCH wrote:
Probably will upgrade my FX in 2016 to an intel i7 if they finally put out a 12 core cpu which can keep up with the 6 core cpus. The 6 cpu core chips are all over $400-500 and for $165 I got the FX which delivers about 75% of that performance for lots less money.


Another figure pulled straight from your bullshit-bin. In Cinebench, that one benchmark where your FX is faster than the i5, your FX-6350 gets only 42% of the score the Intel i7 5820 gets. While the Intel system does it with lower Wattage. And guess what, that's a <$400 CPU.

KD7BCH wrote:
Whearas some people are suggesting getting the Pentium G3258 or whatever, which is a dual core and wont get any benefit from DX12, won't be able to keep up with quad/hex/oct core standards which are here in 2015.


None of it relevant for FAF.

KD7BCH wrote:
Furthermore I have shown that FX-8350 never dropped below 0 in any of the tests or videos or gameplays we had, in the game we played which granted did not go long it never dropped more than 2 lower than yours and usually when you were +7 I was +6, so if your i5 made it to 0 mine my be to -1, thing is odds are in an 8 player game or 10 player game there will always be some dumbshit with a core 2 which is already at -1 at 30 minutes so its irrelevant.


When I played with you, you were like -2 with one other guy while all others were 0 or above. That short game you played with Brink showed you slower by 3 at times and again the shared slowest.

It's funny how you first claimed "never <0", then claimed "never slowest" and now claim "well, I was slowest, but it didn't matter, because the game was too short". :lol:

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 13 Jul 2015, 04:22


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2015-07-13T02:34:41+02:00 2015-07-13T02:34:41+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=104076#p104076 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
E8400-CV wrote:
I watched your Youtube clip, and again this one proves none of what you said, lol.

A game that lasts <30 min means nothing.

And the whole time Cel_Veers was lagging in that game, connection lagging. Giving your FX the time to cool down :mrgreen:

And in fact, you were at times the shared slowest player.


I may have been the "Shared Slowest player" keeping right up with i5's just like I said. Meanwhile you guys are maxing out your cpu gaming and I'm doing a encode render on 4 of my cores while gaming on two more than the other 2 are on smoke break so tell me another one. AND AND AND it wasn't me lagging it right? DUH like I said all along, and It doesn't work like that LOL, your cpu doesn't stop processing just because someone else is lagging.

I also showed you games, i.e. more than one. that lasted over an hour but you suggested I was non entitled to my opinion backed by video proof which I'll leave as fact that it is in fact true FX-8350 keeps up alright.

So whatever. You have all the proof you need. Your i5 is also more than 25% more costly than FX and you won't make that back in energy savings unless you plan on keeping your cpu for about 8-10 years. I upgrade on a 3-4 year cycle. Probably will upgrade my FX in 2016 to an intel i7 if they finally put out a 12 core cpu which can keep up with the 6 core cpus. The 6 cpu core chips are all over $400-500 and for $165 I got the FX which delivers about 75% of that performance for lots less money. Whearas some people are suggesting getting the Pentium G3258 or whatever, which is a dual core and wont get any benefit from DX12, won't be able to keep up with quad/hex/oct core standards which are here in 2015.

Furthermore I have shown that FX-8350 never dropped below 0 in any of the tests or videos or gameplays we had, in the game we played which granted did not go long it never dropped more than 2 lower than yours and usually when you were +7 I was +6, so if your i5 made it to 0 mine my be to -1, thing is odds are in an 8 player game or 10 player game there will always be some dumbshit with a core 2 which is already at -1 at 30 minutes so its irrelevant.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 13 Jul 2015, 02:34


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2015-07-12T23:16:03+02:00 2015-07-12T23:16:03+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=104044#p104044 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
A game that lasts <30 min means nothing.

And the whole time Cel_Veers was lagging in that game, connection lagging. Giving your FX the time to cool down :mrgreen:

And in fact, you were at times the shared slowest player.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 12 Jul 2015, 23:16


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2015-07-12T23:09:01+02:00 2015-07-12T23:09:01+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=104042#p104042 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
KD7BCH wrote:
Well watch the video when you get time and you'll I'm not the slowest. There are still plenty of cpus in the community pool who don't have an i5 even.

You yourself were playing with an E8400 at one time. Q6600 for me. Neither of which is superior to an FX-8350.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core2-Duo ... MD-FX-8350

I really don't know what you guys are all fussing about.


I still am playing on that E8400 in the weekends. And guess what, even the link you posted shows only a 7% decrease in Single Core performance for the E8400 vs the FX-8350. And I have that E8400 running at 3.6 GHz, not 3.0

That you still don't get the sillyness of advising an AMD that in single-core performance is only 8% ahead of a common 7 year old Intel or even below Intel's current slowest "normal" CPU (the Celeron G1820) that currently costs under 40 bucks... or not even a quarter of the FX-8350...... :lol:

Stupid advise like your FX stuff is why some people replace a 7 year old system with something that is not any faster in FAF...

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 12 Jul 2015, 23:09


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2015-07-10T16:15:20+02:00 2015-07-10T16:15:20+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=103863#p103863 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
E8400-CV wrote:
KD7BCH wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUH2mEpg0fY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QLuNB9yC-s

No lag whole game just shitty allies. I was +5 or better all game granted Brink was +7 and that is what you'd expect with higher IPC however that doesn't mean FX drops below 0 in an ACTUAL GAME unless you artifically test it in which case it will be 1 or 2 simspeed slower. If we can agree there great. If not I really don't care. It doesn't lag, I have also shown several games now where I am still not the slowest which is what I said initially.

Im not sure what the big difference is between 1-2 MAXSIMSPEED when neither of us even got close to zero. There are plenty of "dirty games" where drops below 0 and I'm still +2,+3,+4, again big deal.

But you guys go ahead and debate this without me I'm uh gonna go play some games, you know uh make dinner, uh or whatever, brink was too fucking busy doing.


In train again, so I'm not watching that Youtube right now, but you are contradicting yourself _again_;

KD7BCH wrote:
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I am never the slowest cpu in an 8 or 10 player game, usually the 2nd best or best in a 4 player game. My worst Simspeed on Gap is typically +1 and has never been under 0 no matter how long it goes[...]


And that one is simply not true.


You pick a replay and I'll watch it and record my watching it and the simspeed. Will that be satisfactory enough for you? LOL?

I challenged Brink to a match, a challenge he walked away from and had to be begged to come play when finally he did I stacked it so he got a nice good team and we battled. Results were posted. FX-8350 never went below MAXSIMSPEED +5 this was at 30 some minutes in gap so again. I don't know what the big deal is.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 10 Jul 2015, 16:15


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2015-07-10T16:11:25+02:00 2015-07-10T16:11:25+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=103862#p103862 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
You yourself were playing with an E8400 at one time. Q6600 for me. Neither of which is superior to an FX-8350.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core2-Duo ... MD-FX-8350

I really don't know what you guys are all fussing about.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 10 Jul 2015, 16:11


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2015-07-10T15:22:43+02:00 2015-07-10T15:22:43+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=103851#p103851 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
KD7BCH wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUH2mEpg0fY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QLuNB9yC-s

No lag whole game just shitty allies. I was +5 or better all game granted Brink was +7 and that is what you'd expect with higher IPC however that doesn't mean FX drops below 0 in an ACTUAL GAME unless you artifically test it in which case it will be 1 or 2 simspeed slower. If we can agree there great. If not I really don't care. It doesn't lag, I have also shown several games now where I am still not the slowest which is what I said initially.

Im not sure what the big difference is between 1-2 MAXSIMSPEED when neither of us even got close to zero. There are plenty of "dirty games" where drops below 0 and I'm still +2,+3,+4, again big deal.

But you guys go ahead and debate this without me I'm uh gonna go play some games, you know uh make dinner, uh or whatever, brink was too fucking busy doing.


In train again, so I'm not watching that Youtube right now, but you are contradicting yourself _again_;

KD7BCH wrote:
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I am never the slowest cpu in an 8 or 10 player game, usually the 2nd best or best in a 4 player game. My worst Simspeed on Gap is typically +1 and has never been under 0 no matter how long it goes[...]


And that one is simply not true.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 10 Jul 2015, 15:22


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2015-07-10T11:25:57+02:00 2015-07-10T11:25:57+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=103831#p103831 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUH2mEpg0fY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QLuNB9yC-s

No lag whole game just shitty allies. I was +5 or better all game granted Brink was +7 and that is what you'd expect with higher IPC however that doesn't mean FX drops below 0 in an ACTUAL GAME unless you artifically test it in which case it will be 1 or 2 simspeed slower. If we can agree there great. If not I really don't care. It doesn't lag, I have also shown several games now where I am still not the slowest which is what I said initially.

Im not sure what the big difference is between 1-2 MAXSIMSPEED when neither of us even got close to zero. There are plenty of "dirty games" where drops below 0 and I'm still +2,+3,+4, again big deal.

But you guys go ahead and debate this without me I'm uh gonna go play some games, you know uh make dinner, uh or whatever, brink was too fucking busy doing.

Statistics: Posted by KD7BCH — 10 Jul 2015, 11:25


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2015-07-10T10:28:08+02:00 2015-07-10T10:28:08+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=103827#p103827 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
Instead of testing a meaningless game where no CPU would go below 0 simspeed, do the sandbox test. In a high level game there are probably around 4000 units in the game at 30 minutes. It might go all the way up to 8000 (or more on 6v6 or increased unit cap), but I guess testing with 500 vs 500 ASF is enough. Spawn some navy underneath and simulate normal play on the rest of the field (a couple of heavily assisted factories etc.). Because just ramming 4000 ASF head to head will reduce everything to a slideshow and make it hard to judge results. It takes a couple of minutes to setup at most.

I'm also willing to participate for HT / non HT testing or whatever test you want. But it'll have to wait a couple of days.

Statistics: Posted by Col_Walter_Kurtz — 10 Jul 2015, 10:28


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2015-07-10T05:10:38+02:00 2015-07-10T05:10:38+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=8969&p=103823#p103823 <![CDATA[Re: Dedicated FAForever Rig / Intel 2015]]>
With the CPU bench we have the same with laptop CPU's. Full turbo for the bench, but in-game they often can only sustain full turbo for five minutes due to bad cooling.

Or that flat macbook; 2nd run in Cinebench will give half the score :lol:

Seems performance per Watt is performance after all if you use a cheap mobo :lol:

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 10 Jul 2015, 05:10


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