Forged Alliance Forever

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T17:49:48+02:00

ZeRen wrote:
full share - if you snipe someone it isn't so big deal, even if player don't handle big eco so good

Unless the secondary base goes to the very few competent players who can manage properly, it is a big deal.
And yet again, *IF* you are good and your team has proper teamwork, you should *always* win versus one guy managing 2 bases.
If you don't, you were simply outmatched by the skills of the player, not just because he had double eco. That's the typical excuse given. That's all.
You know in the very worst scenario, get a kamikaze ACU with t3 tml, and give the double eco to one player, and there u go. So you get the same "alleged advantage" topped with a powerful ACU capable of destroying mexes quite fast.

no share - you have to be very careful, becouse sniped player lose everything and you have build his eco from nothing - wasting time

You said it. Wasting time. Ruining games.
And again disconnection -> everything vanishes. Great.

so I think you are very wrong

You are entitled to your wrong opinion. I won't argue that.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 02 Dec 2014, 17:49

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T16:33:30+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
Noobs comforting each other ? lol

Sounds like players who are not good/smart enough to not stupidly snipe any random ACU without thinking of the bigger picture , and the consequences.
I could give you hints , but I won't. Waste of time. Another shit consequence that happened to the gameplay since FAF.

Full share indeed requires some more thinking that retarded simplistic no share. It might bruise your couple of synapses. Sorry for that, well sort of.

Well I'll give you one thing. No share makes games shorter, less lag. Oh and it also artificially increases the amount of games being played, with them being shortened by stupid players not careful enough to not get sniped , and thus condemn their team in the short term.

Playing other games than setons, I experience the utmost ridiculousness of the no share and suffer from it. But hey it's FAF, it's meant to be the standard now

EDIT : Don't even try to argue the crap that one team can make up for the snipe. Because if it does, then the others are really retarded, and that context is beyond my scope of decent consideration.

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someone is massaging ego,hm?

full share - if you snipe someone it isn't so big deal, even if player don't handle big eco so good
no share - you have to be very careful, becouse sniped player lose everything and you have build his eco from nothing - wasting time

so I think you are very wrong

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 02 Dec 2014, 16:33

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T17:16:10+02:00

-_V_- wrote:

In any case my attitude has nothing to do with the facts around this 'issue'. So be smart and discard wtv attitude that offends you and focus on the rest ? Surely this could be done

The thing is you're getting really worked up about something that is highly subjective and ultimately a matter of personal preference.
I can personally see pros and cons to both game modes, neither of which is "retarded".

The truth you claim to be apparent in between the insults just doesn't exist. The player you attacked ranted against full share, as he doesn't like it, you like it. That's it.

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 02 Dec 2014, 16:08

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T14:06:51+02:00

the issue is sort of on topic i guess, in that people who give up often cause a complete shutdown of a game due to no full share. On that grounds ill make a counter point to your belief the game is "better" with full share.

Its not. Simply put. Yes, you can argue nonsense about pros vs noobs or what have you, but the truth is giving a player another players eco and army just because that guy got sniped(stupidly or not) is not good play. Discouraging players from taking the snipe when its available is not good play either. It encourages players to be foolish with their comms, because on death they may not lose and may infact win anyway(look at the prevalence of telemazors in full share games vs no share if you want quantifiable data) and that is counter to the actual point of assassination. Assassination is a game type saying "THIS IS YOU ON THE FRONT LINE, DONT TAKE UNNECESSARY RISKS, BE CAREFUL, WIN LIKE A REAL LIVE PERSON NOT A PLAYER IN A GAME" and what your saying is that youd rather it just be a game with players not accepting that particular risk as much as they should. Its also counter intuitive. Why would those little robbits suddenly decide to follow some other comms orders.. a comm not even of their own faction. Finally, it induces artificially longer games, which is just frustrating. This isnt even about the fact that a player can beat his opponent and still get floored by his army.

Worse yet, it encourages lower ranked players to play poorly. Did you think of that. Poorer players may just wander their comms into the front lines knowing that when they die the higher rated players will take their eco and the hole in the enemies line and win with it. This does not encourage that player to get better, and it encourages shitty people to be rude to that player and literally tell them to kill themselves. It doesnt promote good play, and it doesnt promote a positive or kind community. It doesnt matter if GPG was different, design wise its simply not a good mechanic.

Final point. Sniping is the literal point of an ASSASSINATION GAME!!! its what makes it possible to recover from a terrible situation. Its literally why giving up is such a d*** move in team games, because a player that gives up doesnt look for the snipe, doesnt try, and wont come back from the brink and as a result isnt helping anyone. You argue that since your on the winning team, full share should be on. Yet what about when you V are losing. In that case, if you see a chance to snipe, and it will literally turn the face of the game and make the match much more interesting because you could catch up on eco in the time it takes for that players team mates to recover, dont YOU want share until death instead of full share. Dont you want an actual chance to recover from a FUBAR situation. Instead of looking at everyone else and calling them noobs, actually put yourself in someones elses shoes. try an acknowledge that some may not be as 'good' as you and actually try an identify why they have an issue with a mechanic, instead of just calling them noobs all the time.

the mechanic was poorly thought out, it makes no sense lore wise, and it encourages poorer play. It is actually bad for the game, as opposed to share until death, which encourages teamwork and good play.

thats a counter argument anyway.

Statistics: Posted by rexx1888 — 02 Dec 2014, 14:06

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T13:30:56+02:00

full share sucks anyway

You're totally right about that! But it seems to be the standard for setons games. Of course, setons sucks too, so...

You dare to use the word "serious" in that context ? Haha

if you would stop insulting everybody that is 1 rating point

I'm not. Except if you consider that confronting one's idiotic prejudice against "full share" is insulting. And I assure you , it has nothing to do with rating. You could be 4k, it wouldn't change the facts.

This trend of no share is only so popular now 'cause noobs are taught this way, nothing else. If the habits from GPGnet lived on on FAF regarding this point, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.Period.

On GPGnet, there's a been a long period of "no automatic give" and people had to get used to give units upon snipe. And then there's been a long period also of "automatic give". Can't remember having epic complains about that.

FAF has its merits, but making the "no share" a standard is a rollback to gameplay improvement. And on top of it, it often ruins games for no good reason.
Even a disconnection now leads to the destruction of the whole stuff. Plain ridiculous. How is that not a show stopper ?

To focus on the subject. If as a team you fail to overcome one player with several bases, you have to accept that you're bad, or simply that the other one is much better. It's only up to you to improve your gameplay :

- work better as a team ?
- do not snipe randomly, just because you can ? Try to think further ?

To make a comparison, a good player would scout and evaluate the risks of having his attack countered before sending his troops. Same spririt of thinking should apply to ACU sniping.

Then again, it's up to you to prefer a more simplistic gameplay. To each his own

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In any case my attitude has nothing to do with the facts around this 'issue'. So be smart and discard wtv attitude that offends you and focus on the rest ? Surely this could be done

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 02 Dec 2014, 13:30

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T11:50:21+02:00

Well V, maybe people would take you more serious if you would stop insulting everybody that is 1 rating point below you like a selfish b****.

Statistics: Posted by D4E_Omit — 02 Dec 2014, 11:50

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T10:33:06+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
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You need to behave like a civilized human being and that's really all there is to it. Just stop talking absolute garbage and insulting people for no reason at all. The fact that you have to write these posts says enough about your ridiculous attitude.

And yes, if you want to be pedantic: this post is not nice.

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 02 Dec 2014, 10:33

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T09:47:05+02:00

using "noob" as an insult and talking about "retardness", really ?

Statistics: Posted by Zoram — 02 Dec 2014, 09:47

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T07:18:48+02:00

rexx1888 wrote:
but you always seem to just be really negative and aggressive,

yeah V, you is hostile

Always when it comes to retardness. That is one of my problem indeed.

.. why do you play FAF if you hate it so much??

I do not hate FAF at all, quite the contrary, it has very nice pros (as opposite to cons). But I'm not blinded enough to not see the flaws it induced, and the bad (in my *own* vision, you're entitled to your opinion) sides. Rating, % "balance (probably the worst joke ever), No share, caring too much about what noobs want, etc.

why post if all your gonna be is rude to strangers youve never met... your a very strange person :\

Last time I checked, no one had to meet anyone else to judge some level of stupidity. But let me check that again.
Did you have to meet Justin Bieber / Bush / complete_with_whoever to realise they were dumb fucks ? Yeah Ok, see we agree on something

Strange ? Quite possibly. Blunt ? Absolutely.

But wtv I am not the subject of the thread (who cares), and if you can see beyond the "hostility" you can't deny the truths I wrote above. Period.

One can prefer the simplistic , boolean like vision of the no share. It's your choice. Not mine.
I still do experience it though (i'm playing both no share and full share) , and see a significant amount of games wasted because of this FAF no share trend. And even if I admit the "no share" does have some merit, the cons are just a show stopper for me.

It's simply very very funky, that over 5 (6?) years over GPGnet, I can't even remember that many guys whining that giving units upon ACU snipe was "Bad / retarded / stupid / noob/ etc." From what I can remember, the ALT-F2 + give command, was one of the very lessons I was taught. Then an autogive mod was made, and guess what it was (very) popular, setons or not.

Probably we did it all wrong for so long, luckily in 2 (3?) years FAF saved our soul from epic noobishness.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 02 Dec 2014, 07:18

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T06:11:54+02:00

yeah V, you is hostile

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 02 Dec 2014, 06:11

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T06:01:43+02:00

ya know, i may be new around here, but you always seem to just be really negative and aggressive, an unhappy when people take you to task for it... why do you play FAF if you hate it so much?? why post if all your gonna be is rude to strangers youve never met... your a very strange person :\

Statistics: Posted by rexx1888 — 02 Dec 2014, 06:01

Re: giving up

2014-12-02T05:31:30+02:00

Noobs comforting each other ? lol

Sounds like players who are not good/smart enough to not stupidly snipe any random ACU without thinking of the bigger picture , and the consequences.
I could give you hints , but I won't. Waste of time. Another shit consequence that happened to the gameplay since FAF.

Full share indeed requires some more thinking that retarded simplistic no share. It might bruise your couple of synapses. Sorry for that, well sort of.

Well I'll give you one thing. No share makes games shorter, less lag. Oh and it also artificially increases the amount of games being played, with them being shortened by stupid players not careful enough to not get sniped , and thus condemn their team in the short term.

Playing other games than setons, I experience the utmost ridiculousness of the no share and suffer from it. But hey it's FAF, it's meant to be the standard now

EDIT : Don't even try to argue the crap that one team can make up for the snipe. Because if it does, then the others are really retarded, and that context is beyond my scope of decent consideration.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 02 Dec 2014, 05:31

Re: giving up

2014-12-01T22:19:55+02:00

Aulex wrote:
I usually never see full share and ctrl king all units except for setons with sc-account or mnb

I haven't seen it all that much, thankfully. For some reason I usually see it not when someone's team is losing, but when they're quitting the game because they're annoyed by lag. Which makes it all the more frustrating, because lag is usually worst right before/during the deciding battles. So the game gets messed up for both teams!

ZeRen wrote:
full share sucks anyway

You're totally right about that! But it seems to be the standard for setons games. Of course, setons sucks too, so...

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 01 Dec 2014, 22:19

Re: giving up

2014-12-01T21:11:36+02:00

Mycen wrote:
What's more frustrating than being teamed up with a quitter is being teamed up with someone who, if playing full share, not only quits, but ctrl+ks all of their units before quitting. If someone want to leave that's one thing, but to deny their team their units when they won't be sticking around anyway just defies reason.

full share sucks anyway

Statistics: Posted by ZeRen — 01 Dec 2014, 21:11

Re: giving up

2014-12-01T19:22:37+02:00

Mycen wrote:
What's more frustrating than being teamed up with a quitter is being teamed up with someone who, if playing full share, not only quits, but ctrl+ks all of their units before quitting. If someone want to leave that's one thing, but to deny their team their units when they won't be sticking around anyway just defies reason.

I usually never see full share and ctrl king all units except for setons with sc-account or mnb

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 01 Dec 2014, 19:22