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Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-06-03T11:23:26+02:00

VoiceofReason wrote:
And no, Cache actually really ISNT minor at all for supcom, Have you tried playing with a CPU that has little to nothing for cache?

Cache is important, just not the difference between a recent i5 and a recent i7.

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 03 Jun 2014, 11:23

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-06-03T12:49:13+02:00

Well IceDreamer, until you have an i7 that you turn hyper threading off, and compare what kind of performance you get 8threads vs 4 threads everyone can just ignore you and rely on someones' actual experience.

What are you running again sorry?

And no, Cache actually really ISNT minor at all for supcom, Have you tried playing with a CPU that has little to nothing for cache?

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 03 Jun 2014, 11:21

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-06-03T11:18:53+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
They have more cache...

Yet that's a really minor thing for SupCom. And pretty much anything else (of course it does something but not much in most cases).

Statistics: Posted by Aurion — 03 Jun 2014, 11:18

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-06-03T03:27:37+02:00

They have more cache...

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 03 Jun 2014, 03:27

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-06-02T11:12:04+02:00

VoiceofReason wrote:
i5 is better than i7 for gaming.

First, Wrong. Second, we're talking FA here - not "gaming" in general. If someone wants to spend money on a CPU, and has a goal of the best simspeed without spending stupid money, don't discourage them from buying i7. Just because the majority of "gamers" choose to save the $100 bucks and go i5 so they can get a GPU that isn't a pile of crap- Great! I get it; but others have made that choice for games where the CPU isn't the MAIN priority.
I've never seen a i5 that competes in lategame phantom for SimSpeed.... Just saying

That's strange, are i7s powered by witchcraft then? An i7 will offer no increase in simspeed over an equally clocked i5 for one very good reason: The two chips are identical. The only difference is the lack of Hyperthreading on the i5. An i7 will offer a faster overall computing experience certainly, far more multitasking power, but on a system which only plays games... i5 is just the better option.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 02 Jun 2014, 11:12

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-06-02T07:48:43+02:00

and never forget to build an energy storage so you can overclock!

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 02 Jun 2014, 07:48

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-06-02T07:16:11+02:00

Kof wrote:
Get an unlocked cpu, so you can overcharge it

So he can.. what?

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 02 Jun 2014, 07:16

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-06-02T06:50:04+02:00

i5 is better than i7 for gaming.

First, Wrong. Second, we're talking FA here - not "gaming" in general. If someone wants to spend money on a CPU, and has a goal of the best simspeed without spending stupid money, don't discourage them from buying i7. Just because the majority of "gamers" choose to save the $100 bucks and go i5 so they can get a GPU that isn't a pile of crap- Great! I get it; but others have made that choice for games where the CPU isn't the MAIN priority.
I've never seen a i5 that competes in lategame phantom for SimSpeed.... Just saying

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 02 Jun 2014, 06:50

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-05-31T15:45:49+02:00

My tuppence, get the best i5 you can and the best ram. Get an unlocked cpu, so you can overcharge it - later, if you can't afford the cooler/power etc to facilitate this, right now. Ensure the motherboard is up to the task also.

Graphics cards are easy to upgrade, as is PSU.

Bit of discussion here about cpu and OC, viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7480

Statistics: Posted by Kof — 31 May 2014, 15:45

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-05-30T22:57:46+02:00

That's still highly dependant on what you do. Solidworks renders definitely goes faster with an i7. Most other things; not so much.

Keep in mind that an i7 also has more L2 cache memory; that's is a benefit on it's own.

For gaming I've seen benchmarks going two ways with HT: some claim a negative impact, others positive.

Still: with an i5 4690 you won't be the slowest in the lobby; and that's all that matters. There are enormous amounts of 2500K's around in gaming systems. If we can get that as a bottom line 99% of the slowdowns are gone already...

People that rapidly drop in max simspeed often are on a laptop with inadequate cooling (meaning lower clock). And then there are still some Core 2 Duo's around. Seriously: don't go play Setons on a Core 2 Duo / Core 2 Quad. There is definitely a difference between a stock E6300 (1.87 GHz, 2MB) and a OC'd E8400 (3.6 GHz, 6 MB); but neither will run late-game Setons above zero.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 30 May 2014, 22:57

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-05-30T16:47:30+02:00

Pretty much solid advice everywhere I see; however I did want to make note and touch lightly on the i5 vs i7. The long debate, and the majority choose to save the $100 by going with the i5, but in the end - As everyone has stated it depends on what you play; if you're a fan of the long forever type game - having a beast CPU is for you. I've been a diehard fan of Phantoms now for waay too long. These games can sometimes go on for hours, with each player hitting unit cap (1000) with 1000s of ASF between us all amongst the nearly dozen carriers we each have, it's no surprise.

~ In that situation, I'd prefer to have an i7. Back when the FA Benchmarking thread was underway and all the tests were fresh, I tried multiple different settings to test results. I currently have the i7 3770k.
My stats normally were (taken from 2 previous post of mine in the thread I mentioned)
_________________________
30s------- Lap 1 - 32.53
1min----- Lap 2 - 33.60 - 66.13 ---1m 6s
1min30s- Lap 3 - 46.50 - 112.63 --1m 53s
2min----- Lap 4 - 55.85 - 168.48 --2m 48s
_______________________________
Hyper-threading off killed my times, first and second lap with like 39 seconds, then 45.
_______________________________(it got so bad I stopped testinglol)

The tests would've been at the same speed CPU and RAM, only difference is 4threads vs 8threads. I'm not sure exactly how telling this is of the difference between the top i5s vs i7s; but in my small world, it makes sense to me...

So, all I am trying to say is - for $100 more, there is a performance difference; and its a wider gap than anyone with an i5 likes to admit. Make your own decision

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 30 May 2014, 16:47

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-05-30T01:47:11+02:00

rxnnxs wrote:
E8400-CV wrote:You're basicly the only one reporting a gain with it and your results are rather inconsistent.

i am the only one that is posting benchmarks with it, at least in that thread. maybe you do also a test with it and post it.
if the GHz are going up, the core maximizer is not as efficient. i do not know why, but i guess at some rate there is a decrease in effectiveness sharing the cores.

That doesn't really make sense, now does it? You had Core Maximiser set to start 20 seconds after the game starts. If it really works... you should be able to tell the difference in simspeed as soon as you hear the *ding* of Core maximiser starting.

And oh; you weren't the only one posting benches with it, but the only one posting saying it gave a gain. When I have some spare time, I'll bench my E8400 (@3,6)

rxnnxs"[quote="rxnnxs wrote:
Oh; and you still didn't answer on whether you ran it with Core Maximizer first

i did:
"As i read some pages earlier, it was recommended not to do it without after using coremaximizer for it will remain functioning.
so it is good as i did it. first without, then with."
and before starting hte real benchmark, i startet FA and the benchnmark, THEN i did the benchmark with stoppng the time.[/quote]

Then reboot and test with. Don't let caching and buffering get in the way.

rxnnxs"[quote="E8400-CV wrote:
but besides that it's a rather old OS. And unless you're running the 64 bit edition... your Windows XP is likely seeing only 1,75GB RAM, since your GTX 770 eats into the addressable memory range with it's 2GB VRAM.

yes it i sold, so what. is old = bad? when you update your smartphone to the newest version, it goes slower, awesome leap forward..
whatever my GPU eats off the RAM, i have enough ram and i have the 32 bit system. and RAM is not the point here...
i play GTAIV and i can make the highest settings at all and can see the 2GIGs there and there is room. i do have no problems with to low ram. so whatever you mean, i have no problems so ...[/quote][/quote]

Because I hit 8 GB RAM used from time to time with what I do on PCs. Windows XP simply can't do that. And the UI is a bit better on W7. Other than that: I still have an old laptop running XP. For playing games at max; I never bought any of the online crap of people supposedly running things @max, so I won't now either.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 30 May 2014, 01:47

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-05-30T00:43:46+02:00

@OP

I currently have an Intel i5-4670k cpu at stock speeds and an NVIDIA 650ti graphics card. This setup seems fine to me. Of course, it all depends on your budget.

Regarding CPU: with an i5-4670, you will never be the slowest person in the game. Buying a more expensive cpu, like an i7-4770 will cost a lot more with very little benefit in SupCom. Or if you are looking in a lower price range, consider a fast clock speed haswell i3, like an i3-4330 or similar.

Regarding GPU: As someone else already said, an NVIDIA 750ti seems like a good low/mid price choice. Or get something similar in the Radeon family, like a R7-265 or a 7850. If you are really on a budget, you could get away with some $100 USD card and it would still play ok (like maybe a Radeon R7-260).

Summary...
Low budget: i3-4330 with Radeon R7-260
Mid range: i5-4670k with NVIDIA 750ti
High budget: just start throwing money at whatever you want

Statistics: Posted by Cynic — 30 May 2014, 00:43

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-05-29T22:20:48+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
You're basicly the only one reporting a gain with it and your results are rather inconsistent.

i am the only one that is posting benchmarks with it, at least in that thread. maybe you do also a test with it and post it.
if the GHz are going up, the core maximizer is not as efficient. i do not know why, but i guess at some rate there is a decrease in effectiveness sharing the cores.

rxnnxs wrote:
Oh; and you still didn't answer on whether you ran it with Core Maximizer first

E8400-CV wrote:
but besides that it's a rather old OS. And unless you're running the 64 bit edition... your Windows XP is likely seeing only 1,75GB RAM, since your GTX 770 eats into the addressable memory range with it's 2GB VRAM.

Statistics: Posted by rxnnxs — 29 May 2014, 22:20

Re: Should I focus on getting a better CPU, or GPU?

2014-05-29T13:31:10+02:00

I already did, and I already responded there a long time ago. You're basicly the only one reporting a gain with it and your results are rather inconsistent. There is the expected gain when you increase CPU clock, but with Core Maximizer you report an insignificant gain with the higher clocks. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever, leading me be believe that either the benchmark is flawed, or your testing was.

Anyway; Windows XP for running hardware EAX in Battlefield 2, but besides that it's a rather old OS. And unless you're running the 64 bit edition... your Windows XP is likely seeing only 1,75GB RAM, since your GTX 770 eats into the addressable memory range with it's 2GB VRAM.

Oh; and you still didn't answer on whether you ran it with Core Maximizer first, or it that was the 2nd run. Buffering and caching of all kinds of things can have a rather big impact. And in case of newer CPU's the difference in used Turbo Boost.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 29 May 2014, 13:31