Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-24T00:18:36+02:00

errorblankfield wrote:
Wait, isn't this in the LUA files and basically just a 'FireFromTransport = 1' line.

I seem to remember this for some reason back when I poked around the LAB files.

Check the code I posted in the previous page. It's exactly that but with "true" instead of "1"

Flipper wrote:
I'd imagine that the unit's weapon pitch/yaw has something to do with it as well. A tank would have a hard time pointing it's turret low enough.

A Transport full of snipers might be fun.

The firing abilities have everything to do with it. Seiya posted this finding on his website or on the GPG forum when he made the mod. Effectively, no 2 unit was able to fire apart from the MML (missiles are always starting the same path but quickly change direction, which is irrelevant to the unit's position.tanks can't target downward. Perhaps if you suspend them upside down, thei could do something (certainly if you also allow the barrel to increase its angle).

All bots could fire I think, with the exception of the hoplite (downward targeting - collision, like the tank). Perhaps also the brick for the same reason. Not the Percy because it has an arm. I'm not sure how snipers would perform, but the sera and UEF t2 bit are interesting to test. These would be additional exceptions to the t2 can't fire rule. Exceptions that perhaps didn't even exist she Seiya made the mod.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 24 May 2014, 00:18

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T23:12:03+02:00

To make something fire from transport, you must set the above mentioned value to true, you must enable firingcaps from Air to the designated layers, you must ensure the turret can point the desired direction, and you must set CollideWithFriendly = false.

There is a command to check if a unit is loaded into a transport. Therefore it IS possible to do, for example, a universal 50% Damage nerf to all units firing from transports, and in a few lines of code no less.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 23 May 2014, 23:12

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T22:00:17+02:00

I'd imagine that the unit's weapon pitch/yaw has something to do with it as well. A tank would have a hard time pointing it's turret low enough.

A Transport full of snipers might be fun.

Statistics: Posted by Flipper — 23 May 2014, 22:00

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T20:25:45+02:00

Wait, isn't this in the LUA files and basically just a 'FireFromTransport = 1' line.

I seem to remember this for some reason back when I poked around the LAB files.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 23 May 2014, 20:25

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T20:19:24+02:00

There probably is a code. I don't know what though, I have no modding experience and I just searched for the thing that makes LABs ghetto elements. You could try looking at the absolved weapon to see how the conditional damage works there, or the CZAR beam which currently gets a damage cut when hitting ASFs.

However, the condition here is dependent on what unit they hit, not on whether they're in a transport.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 23 May 2014, 20:19

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T17:28:53+02:00

Well, I don't see how buffing transports is a bad thing, as they are only used for very specific tasks at it is and get basically unusable for anything but small map edge hugging special ops drops once the opponent has t3 air.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 23 May 2014, 17:28

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T16:34:38+02:00

I can totally see the logic in that statement Plasma_Wolf

if any more units were to operate from a transport, could there be any code to significantly reduce there performance whilst loaded into a transport?

Statistics: Posted by FireMessiah — 23 May 2014, 16:34

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T16:22:28+02:00

That's exactly why I think the shields should definitely not work when being airlifted. It would ruin the entire point of the continental. 2the continental is the weakest mobile shield. The UEF T2 mobile shield has 500 HP more and is the second weakest loading 2 of those on the T2 air transport will easily trump the continental, for a much, much lower price, earlier availability and you can still send two percivals on it. When they have landed, the shields can come with.

If you want to make the continental completely useless and make any non Cybran t2 air lift incredibly overpowered, then that's what you have to do.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 23 May 2014, 16:22

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T16:23:05+02:00

i think anymore units being able to work from the transport is a bit too much.
bricks and t2 aa (and stealth ofc ><) firing from a transport sounds unbeatable

however i did think mobile shields should work in some way, to give other factions a sort of t2 equivalent to a shielded t3 continental.

Edit. I just had a nightmare of airborne loyalists defending cruiser missiles, and airborne sniperbots... wtf

Statistics: Posted by FireMessiah — 23 May 2014, 16:14

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T15:22:03+02:00

Bricks won't be more powerful than percies in every occasion. Certainly not at the moment you're GG'ing an enemy experimental. Then the same rules apply as when they're all on the ground. I also think that percivals would be better at killing a base from a gunship, because the shots are never concentrated. So the damage would be 'random' in both cases. Because of the high damage, low RoF, I think the percivals would do a better job (I think that the high damage value per shot would trump the possible overkill).

The only way to know is to test it of course.

And now we can! Here's the page of the person who made the mod. He also has some other fun stuff. http://supcom.theworldsofseiya.com/.
I thought I'd give it a try on making the mod myself and I had even found the piece of code that allows units to form a ghetto gunship:

Code:: Transport = { CanFireFromTransport = true, },

But I got stuck at finding out if I have to paste that in at every unit's blueprint, or if I could just make a general piece of code, to have this apply to every transportable unit.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 23 May 2014, 15:22

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T15:12:42+02:00

prodromos wrote:
So, imagine a ghetto gunship carrying experimentals that can shoot. Why have a galactic colossus worth of power when you can carry the colossus itself?

Lol, imagine a fatboy going airborn?

Another idea are ghettos carrying units that can shoot other air units. That would be the end of air, since you could build the analogs of gunships and asfs but much much stronger.

When trolling better troll hard.

Actually that would be an interesting unit, a restorer like asf, slow but strong and puts out lots of dps.

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 23 May 2014, 15:12

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-23T08:34:41+02:00

So, imagine a ghetto gunship carrying experimentals that can shoot. Why have a galactic colossus worth of power when you can carry the colossus itself?

Lol, imagine a fatboy going airborn?

Another idea are ghettos carrying units that can shoot other air units. That would be the end of air, since you could build the analogs of gunships and asfs but much much stronger.

When trolling better troll hard.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 23 May 2014, 08:34

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-22T23:47:46+02:00

Yeah, reliability is the problem, and the faster you try to move, the more likely you are to be hit because of the problem going on here. Better to just fix it so that if the shield's up it always protects properly, hmm?

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 22 May 2014, 23:47

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-22T19:37:41+02:00

Well, they die quickly because if one shot gets through it kills like half of them. Though most shots get blocked still.

Statistics: Posted by Lionhardt — 22 May 2014, 19:37

Re: Ghetto Gunships?

2014-05-22T19:09:37+02:00

Try flying a Continental with 28 LAB over a single Flack cannon, then get back to me :p

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 22 May 2014, 19:09