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Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-16T18:55:11+02:00

^...or moving.

I wish cybran has a T2 selen -namely a visually/radar concealed unit except when firing (and maybe only lose vision concealment when moving).

eep sigh:

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 16 Apr 2014, 18:55

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-16T12:08:57+02:00

sry my fault

But the sera scout will loose its cloak when firing

Statistics: Posted by McGeifer — 16 Apr 2014, 12:08

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-16T08:53:45+02:00

Since when exactly has the Mole something it could open fire with? I think you played too much MAZERMOLE-Mod.

Or you mean the seleen

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 16 Apr 2014, 08:53

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-16T07:56:21+02:00

AwarE wrote:
... I thought that you lost Full Cloak if you opened fire ????

roj

Nope not for the ACU but for the scouts like the Mole.

Statistics: Posted by McGeifer — 16 Apr 2014, 07:56

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-16T03:55:24+02:00

I agree the AI knows where every unit is in the game and follows rules to attack.
It will generally scout threats and then attack after visual confirmation of the target.

With Omni ON the AIx has radar confirmation of the threat target and will open fire immediately.
With Omni OFF the AI/AIx must scout threats before attack or if the threat is mobile and moves within AI radar range it will then attack.

Well ...that is what is meant to happen ....I have seen some strange things that don't seem to follow these attack rules.
I have seen a commander sitting in a stealthed base get nuked, even when the AI had no radar or visual sight of the base.
This makes me think that the AI has a script that tells it to nuke your start point if it has no threat targets.
Also I find with Omni on you need at least two Stealth Generators to really stealth an area, one does not seem to work because the AI can see the 1st generator on radar until you build the 2nd. weird.

The AI/AIx will never build T3 Omni radar, its only 'Full Cloak' detection is mounted on its ACU as McGeifer pointed out.
Stealth = radar jamming
Full Cloak = invisible --- I thought that you lost Full Cloak if you opened fire ????

Anyway I do build stealth and it works 90% of the time to stop ACU snipe.

roj

Statistics: Posted by AwarE — 16 Apr 2014, 03:55

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-14T09:18:28+02:00

Something to also know is that a Soraian AIx with Axi omni enabled ist not able to attack or counter a full cloak/stealth cybrian Acu. Only when you get in range of the Aix Acu's build in omni the Aix will attack your acu. So you can easylie destroy a whole base with a full stealth + laser cybrian ACU.

With disabled Aix omni the Aix hase more or less the same vision like you and needs to scout eveything but not a Monkeylord. If its one time scouted the Aix willknow the position all the time until its destroyed.

Statistics: Posted by McGeifer — 14 Apr 2014, 09:18

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-13T17:50:32+02:00

Late game my ACU is constantly moving, usually alone with nothing but a t2 tansport and a deceiver, or sometimes just superstealth(cloak) and walking in random places always changing direction. Whenever someone spots my acu, it moves - It moves FAR AWAY. You want to snipe a ACU, you usually find it in its base - You want to snipe a Cybran ACU, shields wont save you - Being sneaky will; but not against AI.

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 13 Apr 2014, 17:50

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-13T11:33:15+02:00

^It's not an 'all or nothing' thing with AI. It's possible they interact perfectly with stealth, but just mess up with nukes. Remember the computer always knows where all your units are. I can totally see someone making the nuke AI code and forgetting that the AI needs to make sure they have intel on the ACU.

How often is an ACU stealthed and hanging outside of the core base late game and you don't know where he/she is? Rarely? Say hello to an obscure bug!

Could be wrong of course but wanted to point out the people saying it works and you can both be right.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 13 Apr 2014, 11:33

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-13T07:45:17+02:00

I've played matches with non cheating AI that have no Omni, or at least none in range of my acu that's teleported to a random corner of a 81kmx81km map, when the AI goes to nuke - The nuke heads for your ACU, regardless of stealth, intel, or scouting - This was a long while ago, but I've never heard/seen anything that would suggest this has been changed, or is any different now - Stealth from my experience does Sweet Nothing against AI.

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 13 Apr 2014, 07:45

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-11T21:59:41+02:00

Vicarian wrote:
The AI won't see your units unless they're scouted, at which point you'll get harassed by bombers or drops, or both. Then again, Adaptive Sorian loves to just turtle and then start launching experimentals and nukes late game. Long story short, if you use stealthed units, they generally won't get spotted, but Sorian is real good about using scouts, so it likely won't play as large of an impact as you think.

Thank you! That's the answer I was looking for. I'm ok if they need scouts to see my units. I just wanted to make sure the stealth unit are not completely useless...

Statistics: Posted by Violins77 — 11 Apr 2014, 21:59

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-11T21:48:16+02:00

jmd3au1 wrote:
If you play with AIx (cheating AI), it sees the whole map.

I think you can disable this feature of the AIX via the Omni setting.

Statistics: Posted by Flipper — 11 Apr 2014, 21:48

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-11T21:18:32+02:00

The AI won't see your units unless they're scouted, at which point you'll get harassed by bombers or drops, or both. Then again, Adaptive Sorian loves to just turtle and then start launching experimentals and nukes late game. Long story short, if you use stealthed units, they generally won't get spotted, but Sorian is real good about using scouts, so it likely won't play as large of an impact as you think.

Statistics: Posted by Vicarian — 11 Apr 2014, 21:18

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-11T20:06:39+02:00

Ok what about easy/normal AI?

Statistics: Posted by Violins77 — 11 Apr 2014, 20:06

Re: Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-11T18:32:36+02:00

If you play with AIx (cheating AI), it sees the whole map.

Statistics: Posted by jmd3au1 — 11 Apr 2014, 18:32

Question on AI ability to see cloaked and stealth units

2014-04-11T18:07:50+02:00

Hi there, I recently installed FA Forever and I absolutely love it. I play skirmish for now (I know, I know, but I'm not confident enough for now) and I would like to know if the AI is restricted by the same rules as the human players (eg. do they see cloaked and stealthed units or if my unit is cloaked they won't see it?)

I did search on the internet for it but couldn't find a specific answer so I thought I'd ask the die hard fans!

Statistics: Posted by Violins77 — 11 Apr 2014, 18:07