Forged Alliance Forever

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-24T09:52:49+02:00

SC-Account wrote:
The mass fab manager from eco manager is much better (faster, more intelligent).

Hummm no, BETTER manualy, better !

Statistics: Posted by Xinnony — 24 Apr 2014, 09:52

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-24T07:48:15+02:00

The mass fab manager from eco manager is much better (faster, more intelligent).

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 24 Apr 2014, 07:48

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-21T09:53:02+02:00

mass fab manager would be great. after some training on setons i always use in 1v1 also ras and very fast mass fabs. it works great. the full eco manager mod better not because it can kill not experienced people. there is a bug with ally ressources when sharing energy.

But also mass fab manager is not ready for implementing it cannot make a difference between effective and ineffective mass fabs. adjacency is not taken in consideration and t3 mass fabs later then t2 mass fabs is not in.

Statistics: Posted by Iszh — 21 Apr 2014, 09:53

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-21T07:44:12+02:00

Got some questions for you Ze_PilOt: Are the people her complaining about these mods able to integrate them into FAF themselves or say do most of the work without you?(If they have or can learn the know how?) Or is integration of a mod a job only you can do?

Statistics: Posted by Reaper Zwei — 21 Apr 2014, 07:44

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-20T16:54:48+02:00

Blackheart wrote:
Massfab is really good on sentons, and in general these cheaty mods affect only senton alot. (or air spot play on maps like wonder, twin rivers, ...) I personally would like to see anything not implemented in FAF modwise forbidden. easy to draw the line, no complaining and mods can still be used in custom games if all agree to it.

Agreed, anything goes in team games (with motification of what mods are in use if possible), but in ladder, level playing field. Let the mods be vetted in team games and then if they are ok, integrate them.

Statistics: Posted by Flipper — 20 Apr 2014, 16:54

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-20T12:02:49+02:00

I think there is much more usefull tool to get integrate than some "ecomanager thing" that IMO break the ballance on big map like seton.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 20 Apr 2014, 12:02

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-20T00:59:18+02:00

I would just rather see things integrated rather, than banned.

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 20 Apr 2014, 00:59

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-20T00:48:30+02:00

the ecosharing part is only powerfull because teams are not working together on t2 power as they should
give 1 team ecoshare and give another team that is willing to work together some rounds to adept to sharing power and the result will be significantly lower

dont forget that if things are turned off partialy they become less efficient buildings

the downside of the power throttle is also pretty obvious you can no longer push stuff as it will always prioritize mexes as a result someone with this mode disabled is ble to build stuff ~10% faster

if you would ban it you would also get rid of a lot of usefull stuff that is 100% UI (1 click mex upgrades) mex tech level highlighting showing nukes/antinukes

Statistics: Posted by Lame — 20 Apr 2014, 00:48

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-20T00:16:43+02:00

Agreed with Blackheart..... These types of mod really don't have any bearing on small map team games, but once you get in the 10x10 4v4 and bigger range, the mod is INCREDIBLY good at boosting your eco as a team. Given two teams of roughly equal skill, the team with the eco mod will win. You can get the RAS upgrade up to a full minute earlier as the air player, and then you can take advantage of the mass fabricators to burn off 100% of excess power as mass. There is no waste.

I think you *can* argue in favor of things like this, but it is cheating. It is removing part of the game (manual triggering of mass fabs, manual sharing, manual control of energy stalls) and allowing you to gloss over it and focus more APM on combat things. This game is a balance of work on eco, base, and units. The eco manager mod removes most of the eco aspect.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 20 Apr 2014, 00:16

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-19T16:02:59+02:00

Massfab is really good on sentons, and in general these cheaty mods affect only senton alot. (or air spot play on maps like wonder, twin rivers, ...) I personally would like to see anything not implemented in FAF modwise forbidden. easy to draw the line, no complaining and mods can still be used in custom games if all agree to it.

Statistics: Posted by Blackheart — 19 Apr 2014, 16:02

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-19T15:58:07+02:00

Wakke wrote:
Ze_PilOt wrote:And as FA is not about APM, this is perfectly fine that the UI take over the job.

Hey, I'm all for making things more streamlined and less APM-dependent. I just think it's a bad idea to hide these things in external mods. Knowing, finding & installing mods should not be part of the FA-skillset. Power of the equality.

Again, it's not like it's giving any advantage to begin it. It only make mass fab less a mistake to build.
But still probably a mistake.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 19 Apr 2014, 15:58

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-19T15:52:38+02:00

errorblankfield wrote:
^Which is why we are going to implement Resins hover bomb fix, right?

Cause FA isn't about the APM and thus having a way to increase damage via APM isn't okay when we have APM eliminators like mods.

Right right? ^_^

It is okay. It's also okay to make a UI mod that allow you to do the same thing without requiring much APM.
Also, it's not like it increase the damage of the bomber in any way. The reload time won't decrease because you do it.

I'm not planning any bomber change.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 19 Apr 2014, 15:52

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-19T15:28:11+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
And as FA is not about APM, this is perfectly fine that the UI take over the job.

Hey, I'm all for making things more streamlined and less APM-dependent. I just think it's a bad idea to hide these things in external mods. Knowing, finding & installing mods should not be part of the FA-skillset. Power of the equality.

Statistics: Posted by Wakke — 19 Apr 2014, 15:28

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-19T15:12:48+02:00

^Which is why we are going to implement Resins hover bomb fix, right?

Cause FA isn't about the APM and thus having a way to increase damage via APM isn't okay when we have APM eliminators like mods.

Right right? ^_^

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 19 Apr 2014, 15:12

Re: UI mods that give unfair advantages

2014-04-19T14:17:33+02:00

And as FA is not about APM, this is perfectly fine that the UI take over the job.

Again, we are talking of mass fab. It's not like they worth their mass to begin with.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 19 Apr 2014, 14:17