Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-07T15:26:31+02:00

Gorton wrote:
The problem being, it's just completely unnecessary to change. I'd rather your talent for modding was put to something better.

It's not at all actually. I'm tired of explaining things to people today, do your history home work. However if you are feeling too lazy...

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Statistics: Posted by Anaryl — 07 Apr 2014, 15:26

Re: Wall issues

2014-07-21T00:40:47+02:00

Anaryl wrote:
This bug is old. Increasing the size of the hitbox, or decreasing it will not solve the problem, merely shift it to the walls or to the PD.

As Vault54 - as he has worked with this issue a number of times. There is no fix as it stands, and I believe the issue is to do with the hitboxes occluding each other. (bigger wall pd, so tank shots don't hit the back wall = harder to hit the PD, PD hitbox occlusion.

Change the PD size bigger, and the walls don't work at all.

Other thing, is that you may have noticed, only the behind walls are taking the hit, not the front ones.

The problem or issue as you call it isnt in the size of the hit-boxes but rather the fact that they needed to be "reset" after being built. Something is being lost during the build cycle that is making the presence of the hit-boxes not felt.

The minor re-sizing i did was to allow the walls to cover at least half the height of a PD. For all intensive purposes this is an increase of 20% over stock.

Resin

Statistics: Posted by Resin_Smoker — 05 Apr 2014, 17:35

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-05T16:55:00+02:00

The problem being, it's just completely unnecessary to change. I'd rather your talent for modding was put to something better.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 05 Apr 2014, 16:55

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-05T16:49:28+02:00

This bug is old. Increasing the size of the hitbox, or decreasing it will not solve the problem, merely shift it to the walls or to the PD.

As Vault54 - as he has worked with this issue a number of times. There is no fix as it stands, and I believe the issue is to do with the hitboxes occluding each other. (bigger wall pd, so tank shots don't hit the back wall = harder to hit the PD, PD hitbox occlusion.

Change the PD size bigger, and the walls don't work at all.

Other thing, is that you may have noticed, only the behind walls are taking the hit, not the front ones.

Statistics: Posted by Anaryl — 05 Apr 2014, 16:49

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-05T02:55:40+02:00

I always thought it was intended that some shots got through the wall and some didn't, I figured it was to represent that some shots would be aimed too low and hit the wall, but some would be lucky and hit the part visible above the wall. Apparently this is not the case?

Statistics: Posted by RedX — 05 Apr 2014, 02:55

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-04T21:24:54+02:00

^This.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 04 Apr 2014, 21:24

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-04T21:09:50+02:00

Fixing a bug like this which has been a thorn in the game for so long is something which just had to be done. The balance decision to be made is "Should Wall block all non-Arty, non-AOE damage?". If yes, we're golden, if no, we just shrink the mesh down to be a bit lower and make wall a movement-blocker only. Either way, it's an absolute.

Having something this important left up to pure, buggy chance is stupid.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 04 Apr 2014, 21:09

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-04T21:07:52+02:00

Goldy3 wrote:
I appreciate this change, it would be nice to see a side-by-side comparison of your wall hitbox fix versus the vanilla wall hitboxes.

Also, while it makes sense to have the hitbox for UEF walls match up like that, the Aeon wall hitbox is too high and should be lowered, my 2 cents.

Also(x2) is this going to be available in the vault or just the download website?

In the above pic, the Aeon wall has the fix enabled while the UEF wall does not.

Now as for the hit-box sizing all I've made sure that all wall hit-boxes are the exact same height. Would be better to alter the mesh size to match the hit-boxes but this can come later after I get more feedback.

Resin

Statistics: Posted by Resin_Smoker — 04 Apr 2014, 21:07

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-04T21:04:08+02:00

Gorton wrote:
now I think with this "fix" they are now impervious to non-aoe damage. The way walls work with t1 pd is fine, I see no reason for change.

Last time i checked, building walls was supposed to protect a structure from non-aoe / non-arty projectiles. Otherwise whats the point?

Resin

Statistics: Posted by Resin_Smoker — 04 Apr 2014, 21:04

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-04T21:12:15+02:00

Lame wrote:
shitty fix

walls now protect pd 100%

If the incoming projectiles are at an angle where they'd intersect the wall's mesh, then by all rights they should trigger an on-impact event.
Last time i checked this is how things worked in the real world.... All i did was correct GPG's mistake.

BTW: Don't get all wound up over this fix as it's likely that it means arty's could have a greater role with early TECH-1 PD breaking. Anyone who sends tanks off blindly against a walled in PD deserves to have them die.

Resin

Statistics: Posted by Resin_Smoker — 04 Apr 2014, 21:01

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-04T19:31:19+02:00

I appreciate this change, it would be nice to see a side-by-side comparison of your wall hitbox fix versus the vanilla wall hitboxes.

Also, while it makes sense to have the hitbox for UEF walls match up like that, the Aeon wall hitbox is too high and should be lowered, my 2 cents.

Also(x2) is this going to be available in the vault or just the download website?

Statistics: Posted by Goldy3 — 04 Apr 2014, 19:31

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-04T14:51:33+02:00

Currently as a previous post said, walls are strong but not unkillable by tanks (and for example, t2 uef tanks shots bend above the wall if you do it right) but now I think with this "fix" they are now impervious to non-aoe damage. The way walls work with t1 pd is fine, I see no reason for change.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 04 Apr 2014, 14:51

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-04T14:49:13+02:00

isnt that supposed to happen? at some point the walls die or the pd gets killed by indirect fire

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 04 Apr 2014, 14:49

Re: Wall issues

2014-04-04T13:46:24+02:00

shitty fix

walls now protect pd 100%

Statistics: Posted by Lame — 04 Apr 2014, 13:46

Re: Wall issues

2014-07-21T00:42:08+02:00

V0.1 !!!!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzC5WK3Vbi5OOS1COFFXenVWRXc/edit?usp=sharing

Enjoy!!!

Resin

Statistics: Posted by Resin_Smoker — 04 Apr 2014, 02:47