Deering wrote:
You should never build it. Build 5 novax centres instead. You get 100% accuracy, more dps and intel.
Nope.
It's not that you build Novax centers instead of Mavors, you build them in conjunction with Mavors. Mavors cannot reliably destroy single targets quickly, but no shield patch can withstand a Mavor bombardment. Since Novax cannot be stopped except by shields, they are a game-winning combination. (I did some testing during the thread jmd3au1 linked to, and I have no idea how they arrived at the "can't break three shields" conclusion, which is demonstrably false.)
Although you are correct that a Mavor's worth of Novaxes has more damage, intel, etc., the thing about the Novax is the satellite is very slow. On a map large enough to make a Mavor worthwhile in the first place, the Novax takes so long to traverse the map that a player can easily build an entire base with enough shields to stave off the Novax attack by the time the satellites arrive. A Mavor, on the other hand, can direct its full DPS anywhere with almost no time delay at all. This is what keeps it superior to simply having lots of Novax.
Also, before considering someone's perspective on the Mavor and its usefulness, look at their replays. If they don't surround their Mavor with T3 pgens, they obviously don't know how to use the unit in the first place.
Deering wrote:
Like its said in that topic, it needs to be better for the price. When you compare against YO and salvation it just isn't good.
The Mavor is easily as good as the Yolona Oss, I don't even know how you came to this conclusion. The Yolona Oss is much better for eliminating an opponent's ability to expand, because there's no way they can ever get enough SMD going before you blast them. But it's not hard to defend against a YO in a base that's already set up, because you don't really need that many SMD to stop it. A Mavor, on the other hand, is much better against an established base, because (especially now with the damage transfer) the maximum achievable shield density is still lower than the amount required to withstand a Mavor bombardment. Once the Novax gets there it is impossible to defend and gg.
As for the Salvation, however...
Plasma_Wolf wrote:
Salvation is qualified as at3 unit, despite the obvious fAct that it's an experimental. t3 units get 3 hp/s regen with each veterancy level, experimentals 10.
Exactly! It's not that the Mavor is not good enough in relation to the Salvation. It's that the Salvation is better than it should be.
First, consider the concept of the Salvation: In contrast to the slow-firing, but extremely accurate and powerful Emissary, which is designed to destroy single targets, the Salvation is supposed to be quick-firing, doing relatively inaccurate and dispersed damage. The two artillery pieces complement each other - The Salvation erodes shields and suppresses armies (whether field armies or armies of engineers) while the Emissary quickly destroys specific targets.
Yet somehow, we ended up with a unit that does massive damage in an area that, in the end, is really not that dispersed at all, and is more than capable of punching through shields and wiping out targets all by itself. It can even destroy units that are on the sea floor, does that make sense?! Aeon players don't even build emissaries anymore! Not only that, but the Salvation's range is so great that it can cover pretty much the entirety of any map that isn't an 81x81. Even on Betrayal Ocean, you can bombard all but the island across the map without ever even leaving your home base!
This brings me to my second point - The Salvation shouldn't have the range it does. The only reason people are even comparing the Mavor to the Salvation is because of its game-ender level range. But don't the Aeon already have the Paragon? The reason it makes sense for them to have an infinite resource generator as their strategic T4 is because they don't have any game-enders to put those resources into. They still need to capture territory and fight field engagements to win. Except that, with the Salvation, they don't. They can just build a Salvation or two instead.
tl;dr: The Mavor is perfectly fine as it is, just surround it with T3 pgens and use a few Novax with it. The real problem is that the Salvation needs to be the T3 artillery piece it's supposed to be, not a hidden T4.
Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 17 Feb 2014, 17:09
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