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Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-04-06T13:54:15+02:00

No I did not, lol. That was stupid of me

Statistics: Posted by rockoe10 — 06 Apr 2014, 13:54

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-04-05T15:05:25+02:00

did you include that fact, that GC and mega have regen?

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 05 Apr 2014, 15:05

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-04-04T23:14:08+02:00

Crotalus wrote:
Reclaim time
-- Return the total time in seconds, cost in energy, and cost in mass to reclaim the given target from 100%.
-- The energy and mass costs will normally be negative, to indicate that you gain mass/energy back.
GetReclaimCosts = function(self, target_entity)
local bp = self:GetBlueprint()
local target_bp = target_entity:GetBlueprint()
if IsUnit(target_entity) then
#LOG('Reclaim Target Is Unit')

local mtime = target_bp.Economy.BuildCostEnergy / self:GetBuildRate()
local etime = target_bp.Economy.BuildCostMass / self:GetBuildRate()
local time = mtime
if mtime < etime then
time = etime
end

time = time * (self.ReclaimTimeMultiplier or 1)
time = math.max( (time/10), 0.0001) -- this should never be 0 or we'll divide by 0!
return time, target_bp.Economy.BuildCostEnergy, target_bp.Economy.BuildCostMass

elseif IsProp(target_entity) then
local time, energy, mass = target_entity:GetReclaimCosts(self)
#LOG('*DEBUG: Reclaiming a prop. Time = ', repr(time), ' Mass = ', repr(mass), ' Energy = ', repr(energy))
return time, energy, mass
end
end,

Question: Are these two time values suppose to use the opposite resource?
Analysis: The larger of the two times is used to calculate the DPS. From what I understand.

Statistics: Posted by rockoe10 — 04 Apr 2014, 23:14

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-04-04T03:35:12+02:00

Reclaim time

Code:: -- Return the total time in seconds, cost in energy, and cost in mass to reclaim the given target from 100%. -- The energy and mass costs will normally be negative, to indicate that you gain mass/energy back. GetReclaimCosts = function(self, target_entity) local bp = self:GetBlueprint() local target_bp = target_entity:GetBlueprint() if IsUnit(target_entity) then #LOG('Reclaim Target Is Unit') local mtime = target_bp.Economy.BuildCostEnergy / self:GetBuildRate() local etime = target_bp.Economy.BuildCostMass / self:GetBuildRate() local time = mtime if mtime < etime then time = etime end time = time * (self.ReclaimTimeMultiplier or 1) time = math.max( (time/10), 0.0001) -- this should never be 0 or we'll divide by 0! return time, target_bp.Economy.BuildCostEnergy, target_bp.Economy.BuildCostMass elseif IsProp(target_entity) then local time, energy, mass = target_entity:GetReclaimCosts(self) #LOG('*DEBUG: Reclaiming a prop. Time = ', repr(time), ' Mass = ', repr(mass), ' Energy = ', repr(energy)) return time, energy, mass end end,

Capture time

Code:: -- Return the total time in seconds, cost in energy, and cost in mass to capture the given target. -- Calculation given by Jake - 6/26/06 GetCaptureCosts = function(self, target_entity) local target_bp = target_entity:GetBlueprint().Economy local bp = self:GetBlueprint().Economy local time = ((target_bp.BuildTime or 10) / self:GetBuildRate()) / 2 local energy = target_bp.BuildCostEnergy or 100 time = time * (self.CaptureTimeMultiplier or 1) return time, energy, 0 end,

Statistics: Posted by Crotalus — 04 Apr 2014, 03:35

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-04-03T23:38:34+02:00

I did some live testing and found that the Cybran sACU can reclaim a Megalith in 782 seconds. Below is some math:

Build Power: 56
Time to Reclaim: 782 sec
HP Reclaimed: 110,000
Mass Reclaimed: 37,500

DPS = (110,000 hp / 782 sec) = ~140.665 hp/sec
------------ OR
DPS = (37,500 mass / 782 sec) = ~47.95 mass/sec

DPS per Buildpower = 140.665/56 = ~2.5119 DPS/BP

I also did a test on the Galactic Colossus. Math below:

Build Power: 56
Time to Reclaim: ~619 sec (I couldn't pause again and could be off by a few seconds.)
HP Reclaimed: 99,999
Mass Reclaimed: 27,500

DPS = (99,999 hp / 619 sec) = ~161.55 HP/sec
------------ OR
DPS = (27,500 mass / 619 sec) = ~44.43 mass/sec

DPS per Buildpower = 161.55/56 = ~2.8848 DPS/BP

So as you can see, i am getting different numbers for DPS, both HP and mass related. This is more than likely due to the Build time of each unit

Statistics: Posted by rockoe10 — 03 Apr 2014, 23:38

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-03-20T22:00:57+02:00

rockoe10 wrote:
ZLO_RD wrote:speed wich unit can be reclaimed by build capacity depends on amount of build power and build time of target

it is pretty easy imho, for example: reclaimming t1 radar takes alot of time, while ACU can reclaim hydrocarbon faster then shoot it down
so you just take unit build time and divide by your build power and you get time that you need to reclaim target (then may divide HP on time and get DPS of reclaim

Is this a 100% positive formula? Because I "feel" like its faster to reclaim than build. I could be wrong

agree... looks like my formula is wrong/not complete

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 20 Mar 2014, 22:00

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-03-20T18:34:41+02:00

ZLO_RD wrote:
speed wich unit can be reclaimed by build capacity depends on amount of build power and build time of target

it is pretty easy imho, for example: reclaimming t1 radar takes alot of time, while ACU can reclaim hydrocarbon faster then shoot it down
so you just take unit build time and divide by your build power and you get time that you need to reclaim target (then may divide HP on time and get DPS of reclaim

Is this a 100% positive formula? Because I "feel" like its faster to reclaim than build. I could be wrong

Statistics: Posted by rockoe10 — 20 Mar 2014, 18:34

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-03-19T19:22:58+02:00

I like to know as well. I usually have a whole lot of Cybran Hyves, so anything and everything that gets close is reclaimed, including experimentals and T3 battleships

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 19 Mar 2014, 19:22

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-03-19T07:01:06+02:00

capturing is different story i guess, capturing t1 feels faster than recaliming it, btw

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 19 Mar 2014, 07:01

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-03-18T23:53:36+02:00

True, I only tested structures.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 18 Mar 2014, 23:53

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-03-18T22:10:29+02:00

Well... reclaiming a t1 engie with a t1 engie is way faster than capturing it
so capture isn't faster than reclaim.

Statistics: Posted by CrayzyNath — 18 Mar 2014, 22:10

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-03-18T21:39:04+02:00

I don't know the formula, but I do know this:

If the buildpower of the unit doing the reclaiming is higher, then it reclaims faster. If the buildtime of the unit being reclaimed is lower, then it reclaims faster.

The actual time it takes also depends on which unit it is. For example aeon quantum optics facility takes a very long time to reclaim, afaik even longer than it takes to build it. On the other hand, t2 power gets reclaimed about 2x as fast as it takes to build it. Maybe this also changed since engymod?

I do know the formula for how long it takes to capture: half the time it takes to build. For all the units I tested, capturing is faster than reclaiming.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 18 Mar 2014, 21:39

Re: Reclaim Formula

2014-03-18T20:41:07+02:00

speed wich unit can be reclaimed by build capacity depends on amount of build power and build time of target

it is pretty easy imho, for example: reclaimming t1 radar takes alot of time, while ACU can reclaim hydrocarbon faster then shoot it down
so you just take unit build time and divide by your build power and you get time that you need to reclaim target (then may divide HP on time and get DPS of reclaim

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 18 Mar 2014, 20:41

Reclaim Formula

2014-02-16T22:14:00+02:00

When using the reclaim as a Weapon (reclaim a living enemy unit) how fast does the HP drop? I'm assuming it has to deal with the build rate, but i don't know exactly what the math would look like. Can anyone help me?

Statistics: Posted by rockoe10 — 16 Feb 2014, 22:14