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Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-08T12:37:33+02:00

Again, my personal experience in life compels me to disagree. Granted the scale might be different -striving to cure cancer vs trying to figure out how firefox works- but both can have the same amount of drive to learn the new thing.

So in my life, I've never seen a correlation.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 08 Feb 2014, 12:37

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-08T11:33:37+02:00

errorblankfield wrote:
I don't see their being a coloration between eagerness to learn and intelligence. A higher IQ (by definition) makes it easier to learn (and thus satisfy that thirst) but the underlying desire should me more or less the same.

Generally (huge generalization incoming!) above average intelligence people tend to like challenging themselves, whereas people with lower intelligence can't be bothered with entertainment that requires them to learn and think: such as poetry, modern art, art music, chess, go and SupCom.

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 08 Feb 2014, 11:33

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-08T04:38:10+02:00

Yea... I got that vibe too...

But who doesn't enjoy a jerk every now and then?

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 08 Feb 2014, 04:38

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-08T04:01:33+02:00

I feel like this entire thread is just a bunch of faf players circlejerking

Statistics: Posted by Aulex — 08 Feb 2014, 04:01

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-08T03:14:53+02:00

Blodir wrote:
Education to a large extent is just a collection of knowledge that you memorize, not actual intelligence. Don't know why it would affect your ability to play SupCom. However I do believe that SupCom is favored by an above average intelligence playerbase, simply because of the eagerness to learn it requires.

Hmm.... minor quip.

So we as a whole might have a slightest above average intelligence base, but it would be because of reasons like requiring a computer (and thus a social-economic factor that doesn't favor the unintelligent).

I don't see their being a coloration between eagerness to learn and intelligence. A higher IQ (by definition) makes it easier to learn (and thus satisfy that thirst) but the underlying desire should me more or less the same.

I only bring this up because my dad is again smarter than I but less eager to learn, the opposite situation above, and me not seeing a logical connection tween the two.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 08 Feb 2014, 03:14

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-08T00:06:34+02:00

SC/FA is complex, I think that's the reason we have stuck with it for so long.
Sure, you can learn the basics pretty easy. But for the top players, the ability to think multiple ideas in quick succession is essential. Speedy micro will help you execute those ideas. and being able to adjust your ideas, on the fly, based on what your enemy is doing is good.

In my eyes, those players at the top of the leaderboards, must have a high general IQ and responsiveness.

SO many games try to cater to the masses, dumbing things down so a few extra people can play.. FAF does not, FAF keeps things mentally challenging.
Its the reason when I see pretty much any thread asking to makes things easier, it gets a massive HELL NO from me. I want more complexity, more difficulty.
I truly do believe that your average console gamer/MoBA player/14yo, would struggle with FA at first, in a competitive environment.

Then of course, comes the old saying, "Practice makes perfect". Becoming Pro at FA is not impossible, just takes ALOT of repetition. With enough practice the brain can adapt to anything.

Make no mistake, somewhere in the lobby is a player who has only just joined, you probably didn't even notice them. In about a year or so, that player will be kicking your ass, and you will ask the question, "where did that guy come from?"

Statistics: Posted by FireMessiah — 08 Feb 2014, 00:06

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-07T23:27:58+02:00

Mr-Smith wrote:
Well there is a difference between playing and becomming a top player.

as long as you have a small talent for strategic games, multitasking and can aford the time it needs everyone can play it

PS: I would love to know what sort of education the average Supcom player has or we make a nice IQ test

as Zep wants to remove the rating anyway we could display the IQ of the players instead and try balance with it

I aprove this idea xD Start the IQ tests

Statistics: Posted by Joly — 07 Feb 2014, 23:27

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-07T23:24:22+02:00

You would probably find a correlation between supcom and not being an idiot.

But thats probably just because.... You know.... Its a video game...

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 07 Feb 2014, 23:24

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-07T23:20:05+02:00

Education to a large extent is just a collection of knowledge that you memorize, not actual intelligence. Don't know why it would affect your ability to play SupCom. However I do believe that SupCom is favored by an above average intelligence playerbase, simply because of the eagerness to learn it requires.

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 07 Feb 2014, 23:20

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-07T23:08:14+02:00

This thread is hilarious I'm not sure if it's serious or not but I have a friend who left education at 16 is not smart at all and when I play him he stomps me, admittedly that isn't a hard achievement but still he is a "good" player, I don't think education, to a certain extent, has to much of an impact, I think there are other things that play a larger role.

Statistics: Posted by Deafening Milk — 07 Feb 2014, 23:08

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-07T23:06:01+02:00

Wow, something to feel superior about. Yay! Ego Boost!

My 2 cents to this...

Statistics: Posted by Koecher — 07 Feb 2014, 23:06

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-07T23:00:41+02:00

I think the average SupCom player is educated to degree level at least. Some with masters and even Phd. I think you have to be smart even to play the campaign in this game. We are in a minority and that is for a good reason, imhao.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 07 Feb 2014, 23:00

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-07T18:52:31+02:00

Well there is a difference between playing and becomming a top player.

as long as you have a small talent for strategic games, multitasking and can aford the time it needs everyone can play it

PS: I would love to know what sort of education the average Supcom player has or we make a nice IQ test

as Zep wants to remove the rating anyway we could display the IQ of the players instead and try balance with it

Statistics: Posted by Mr-Smith — 07 Feb 2014, 18:52

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-07T18:49:37+02:00

At best, IQ is just going to determine how fast you learn from your mistakes and improve.

IQ has little to do with your ability to play a game. Seeing as moving units around isn't exactly that hard as it is, assuming you can use a keyboard/mouse playing this game is straight forward.

Now playing a decent first game is unlikely for nearly anyone. And a terrible first game can leave a bad taste.

I know my first games where against 1500+ players in ladder and I just died trying to build mexes first. XD (OMG, I have one factory and you're sending 30+ units at me!)
I then went to watch every single game I played to see what the other guy did, emulated it, and now I'm a nice mid 1050ish (and I don't play that often).

Then there is my dad whom is smarter than I IQ wise, but can't stand multiplayer games but loves this type of game (vs predictable AI).

So yea, IQ had little to do with it. You have to like this game style enough to put up with the learning curve. Or better yet, enjoy the rewards of winning enough to put the time in to win more often.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 07 Feb 2014, 18:49

Re: Could your average idiot in the street play SupCom?

2014-02-07T18:42:17+02:00

its all about practice im pretty certain.
like with everything.

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 07 Feb 2014, 18:42