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Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-12T11:28:40+02:00

The best example of Stealth is the B2 bomber. That thing is barely detectable on radar, just as supcom stealth makes things completely undetectable on radar.
Now you only have to remember that and that cloak is the other thing.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 12 Jan 2014, 11:28

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-12T09:09:50+02:00

The terms are not arbitrary. They have meant the same as they do in this game long before this game came out.

Statistics: Posted by Reaper Zwei — 12 Jan 2014, 09:09

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-12T08:59:14+02:00

Firewall wrote:
errorblankfield wrote:I still find the two terms annoying...

How are they annoying. They are perfectly understandable. A cloaking field makes something invisible and stealth is a radar detection countermeasure.

Something cannot truly be undetectable until it is both stealthed AND cloaked. Which means you need an omni sensor. Seems simple to me.

Why are they annoying? Just because they are arbitrary really. They could call them radar and vision stealth to eliminate the confusion -but no, we have to remember that stealth is radar and cloak is vision.

It doesn't help that I've grown on up the term 'radar cloaking' so I personally have a lot of trouble with flipping the two in my head. Further more, I know that both are forms of EMR and you can disrupt either in fundamentally similar fashion -making the separate terms even more annoying to me. Either can be justified as cloaking or stealthing!

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 12 Jan 2014, 08:59

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T23:58:10+02:00

I believe its the cloak that takes more power than the stealth but in a power stall both would probably be disabled since they both take power.

Statistics: Posted by Reaper Zwei — 10 Jan 2014, 23:58

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T20:40:41+02:00

All other units in the game that have cloak also have stealth as well right?

Yea I think the cybran mole is the only one. One hypothetical situation may be when a cybran stealth+cloak com is out of power. Maybe only the stealth gets disabled and not the cloak. Not sure.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 10 Jan 2014, 20:40

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T19:23:40+02:00

The battleship radar range does seem a bit silly and useless, but if you have a battleship it will be escorted by cruisers for Anti Air protection. The cruisers have excellent radar so I think the battleship radar range is a non-issue.

Statistics: Posted by Cynic — 10 Jan 2014, 19:23

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T12:08:04+02:00

errorblankfield wrote:
I still find the two terms annoying...

How are they annoying. They are perfectly understandable. A cloaking field makes something invisible and stealth is a radar detection countermeasure.

Something cannot truly be undetectable until it is both stealthed AND cloaked. Which means you need an omni sensor. Seems simple to me.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 10 Jan 2014, 12:08

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T09:39:23+02:00

I still find the two terms annoying...

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 10 Jan 2014, 09:39

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T05:31:32+02:00

whootle wrote:
I don't understand what you're talking about.

If there's stealth, radar is useless (and vision reveals it anyway.)

If there's cloak, both radar and vision is useless. So no idea how vision is going to help with a mole, since my understanding is that it is cloaked.

Wrong.

Stealth and Cloaking are two separate countermeasures. Stealth defeats radar and Cloaking defeats vision. A unit which is cloaked but not stealthed will be invisible, but detectable by radar. So if you ever see a grey unknown contact in your field of vision - you know it must be cloaked. If you don't have radar, it could be right next to you and you'd never see it.

Stealth on the other hand, it to prevent long ranged contacts. It allows your units to avoid detection as they close range. But will not prevent them being targeted when seen.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 10 Jan 2014, 05:31

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T05:04:56+02:00

Battleship radar could be reasonably increased slightly.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 10 Jan 2014, 05:04

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T03:43:55+02:00

The cybran ACU has stealth as well as cloak

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 10 Jan 2014, 03:43

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T03:42:12+02:00

Oh, so having cloak doesn't imply having stealth as well? OK.

All other units in the game that have cloak also have stealth as well right?

Statistics: Posted by whootle — 10 Jan 2014, 03:42

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T02:15:09+02:00

Radar detects cloaked units. To be completely invisible except to omni you have to have cloak + stealth.

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 10 Jan 2014, 02:15

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T01:41:16+02:00

I don't understand what you're talking about.

If there's stealth, radar is useless (and vision reveals it anyway.)

If there's cloak, both radar and vision is useless. So no idea how vision is going to help with a mole, since my understanding is that it is cloaked.

Statistics: Posted by whootle — 10 Jan 2014, 01:41

Re: Battleship radar

2014-01-10T01:37:44+02:00

nope, if there a mole, the radar will beat the vision

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 10 Jan 2014, 01:37