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Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-14T18:18:12+02:00

Marko Box wrote:
I dont get why the hate for czar ground attack. If you micro your asf you will loose none, and its not some fancy micro to kill a czar while avoiding death beam.

This sounds all fine and good if your opponent only has one CZAR and/or it's a relatively small map. But I've played games on larger maps where I'll leave a few hundred ASF patrolling near my base while I'm conducting attacks elsewhere, only to have a single CZAR fly in and destroy 90% of my airforce because the planes will automatically fly into the beam. How difficult the necessary mirco is is irrelevant when the problem is that without constant babysitting your planes will automatically destroy themselves.

Look at the ten pages devoted to bomber multi-dropping, where one of the arguments is that it's okay because the intensive micro required absorbs all of the attacking player's attention. In this case the mirco required absorbs all of the defending player's attention, but the attacker has only to issue a single command to the CZAR. That's why there's so much hate.

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 14 Jan 2014, 18:18

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-14T07:57:21+02:00

Marko Box wrote:
Also ahwasa bomb can be used to kill groups of asf prity damn effectivly.

Which, to be fair, is far easier to counter with micro than Czar ground attack (and far harder to do, bombing restos is lovely, though) :p

However, about Ahwassa vs. Czar crash damage:
Yeah, succeeding with Czar is easier when there is no anti air and no ASF, but that is never the case if you have competent opponents and the game isn't over yet, unless you are extremely lucky and sneak it in somehow.

An Ahwassa is way easier to sneak in and even if you scout it you will never stop it unless you already have ASF near - that is the difference and that is why Ahwassa crash is endlessly better than Czar crash.

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 14 Jan 2014, 07:57

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-12T16:17:24+02:00

Nombringer wrote:
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/how-far-should-you-go-to-win.html

Relevant

Not relevant, Sirlin explicitly forbids the use of exploits as a waste of time. Playing to win is not justification for poor balance and bugusing.

Statistics: Posted by Anaryl — 12 Jan 2014, 16:17

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-12T07:12:56+02:00

E8400-CV wrote:
Whenever I "micro" ASF to NOT go trough the beam they eaten a lot more by enemy ASF and will deal a lot less damage to the CZAR itself, so do you mind explaining what you mean?

I cant tell you, i can show you.
Also if your oponent has czar he has less factories making asf and less asf cause of that.

Statistics: Posted by Marko Box — 12 Jan 2014, 07:12

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-12T03:18:03+02:00

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/how-far- ... o-win.html

Relevant

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 12 Jan 2014, 03:18

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-12T02:33:22+02:00

Whenever I "micro" ASF to NOT go trough the beam they eaten a lot more by enemy ASF and will deal a lot less damage to the CZAR itself, so do you mind explaining what you mean?

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 12 Jan 2014, 02:33

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-11T13:47:59+02:00

I dont get why the hate for czar ground attack. If you micro your asf you will loose none, and its not some fancy micro to kill a czar while avoiding death beam.
On the other hand ahwasa crash damage is enough to kill smd or nuke and a combo of its bomb and crash damage will kill a heavilly shielded t3 arty. Also ahwasa bomb can be used to kill groups of asf prity damn effectivly.

Statistics: Posted by Marko Box — 11 Jan 2014, 13:47

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-11T06:22:40+02:00

Lol, never heard about that one. But CZAR ground attack is definitely lame.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 11 Jan 2014, 06:22

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-11T04:50:28+02:00

BRNKoINSANITY wrote:
In my opinion, people only ban behavior/complain/call cheats when they get beaten by an innovative tactic and are too lazy to either prevent it or find a solution to counter.

Very true.

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 11 Jan 2014, 04:50

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-11T01:11:31+02:00

In my opinion, people only ban behavior/complain/call cheats when they get beaten by an innovative tactic and are too lazy to either prevent it or find a solution to counter.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 11 Jan 2014, 01:11

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-10T06:26:14+02:00

Of course Ctrl + K is a valid tactic. Infact, I've even done it to my ACU deliberately in game to force a draw with a superior opponent. Any conceivable in game command (not otherwise banned) is acceptable. If there are game rules, these must be stated BEFORE THE GAME STARTS.

I think your use of the Awhassa was perfectly legitimate. Furthermore, rules have no application within a ranked match. If the game is ranked and host makes rules do not consider yourself bound to follow them (you may tell him if you wish) but I usually don't. Rules are not applicable when playing for score.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 10 Jan 2014, 06:26

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-09T16:45:33+02:00

Marko Box wrote:
Crashwasa will kill a t3 arty 100% of time so its an issue imo.

Really? The Aircrash make 10000 damage and all arties have more health.

The bomb can be countered by a bit of micro toggling one shield off and another on. I think 4 t3 shields are enough to hold forever.

Statistics: Posted by RoLa — 09 Jan 2014, 16:45

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-09T16:33:58+02:00

Crashwasa will kill a t3 arty 100% of time so its an issue imo.

Statistics: Posted by Marko Box — 09 Jan 2014, 16:33

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-09T14:43:00+02:00

This is assuming that the Ahwassa can break through a series of shields. Which it can, but if it can, so can the CZAR with its 3333.33 dmg/s beam. While you might be able to make a good Ahwassa crash with a bit of training, I haven't had a single CZAR fail a crash. Ever.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 09 Jan 2014, 14:43

Re: Is Awhassa Drop not allowed?

2014-01-09T13:44:21+02:00

NO, Ahwassa is far better than Czar cause it is indefinitely harder to stop it from reaching its target, also 10k DMG doesnt kill a commander, but 10k crash + 11k bomb damage kills an ACU. With a little training you will land it on spot 99% of the time, so that ain't a big deal.

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 09 Jan 2014, 13:44