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Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-13T02:15:53+02:00

The ladder version of balvery got changed as well

I lost 2 engies and a hunter before I realised

Still went on to win though so it was okay

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 13 Jan 2014, 02:15

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-13T00:52:31+02:00

buletproof_bob wrote:
Can always just ask in chat. I would say if there civs out of common decency (and major reclaim points). If the other player does not know , then you are even.

Common decency is not a military virtue. I would feign ignorance, as my map knowledge has been learnt the hard way. It is an advantage which I can use to beat my opponent.

Personally, I most dislike when new versions of maps have changed civilians or reclaim. Like the 2v2 Balvery Hills map. I'll send my engies or raiders out. Safe in my map knowledge only to - "AAAAH WTF!!! WHO PUT THAT THERE!!!". Yea. You know the feeling.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 13 Jan 2014, 00:52

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T22:48:52+02:00

I actually think that for 1v1 ladder games there is justification to do it after the ACU spawn. Usually maps are symmetrical across a particular, easy to spot axis which can give you an idea on where the opponent spawns, further lowering the minimum skill requirement for newcomers.

Unless ZLO's idea is implemented for 1v1v1 or bigger maps.

Statistics: Posted by Szakalot — 08 Jan 2014, 22:48

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T22:43:23+02:00

buletproof_bob wrote:
Can always just ask in chat. I would say if there civs out of common decency (and major reclaim points). If the other player does not know , then you are even.

People are dicks. People lie.

If we can get it to flash pre-ACU spawn, this has my vote. If not, it still has my vote.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 08 Jan 2014, 22:43

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T18:21:16+02:00

Swkoll wrote:
ZLO_RD wrote:i like the idea about showing civillians, but flashing fog can be dangerous if game set on random spawns, you may find out where your opponents are..

Ideally it would flash before the acus spawn.

then it is great, also why we do not have maps with random spawns in ranked
some thing like daroza easily can be made as random spawn map
each time i am waching StarCrap2 matches i see people forced to scout wheree opponent spawns

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 08 Jan 2014, 18:21

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T14:12:41+02:00

ZLO_RD wrote:
i like the idea about showing civillians, but flashing fog can be dangerous if game set on random spawns, you may find out where your opponents are..

Ideally it would flash before the acus spawn.

Statistics: Posted by Swkoll — 08 Jan 2014, 14:12

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T13:25:09+02:00

Perhaps it's possible to loop through all civilian buildings and set them as "seen" once at start by a script.

Statistics: Posted by RoLa — 08 Jan 2014, 13:25

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T12:37:50+02:00

Mycen wrote:
Maybe this is just my experience, but how often do you guys actually play a map you haven't played before? Admittedly, I can't find much time for gaming right now, but I usually don't play more than one new map a week at most. How often do you guys encounter new maps that this is a thorn in your side?

I'm a new player and I've only played 40, maybe 50 maps altogether, out of the ~130 total games. Many of which I only played once, and months ago. Playing the map for the first time was the extreme example, but remembering where the civs are on a particular map can vary from 'i think there are civs on this map' to 'i know the weakspots from which to approach the civ bases and claim them for reclaim early'.

Agreed that its a problem for random spawns, even if such 'flashing' would only take 0.001 sec, you could still see it in one of the frames rendered : ) How often though do people play random spawn games?

Statistics: Posted by Szakalot — 08 Jan 2014, 12:37

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T08:28:54+02:00

Another vote for showing units before hand somehow.

It's a major deterrent to trying new maps (for me at least). It's not feasible to know every map that might be up at a given time -so practice isn't the solution. So if there is a map I've never played being hosted, I can't join unless I wanna lose to someone that knows the map.

Simple, minimal impact, lowers the skill floor in a good way.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 08 Jan 2014, 08:28

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T07:56:38+02:00

Occasionally the game bugs you see the civ reclaim as strategic icons before it dies

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 08 Jan 2014, 07:56

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T07:25:28+02:00

Maybe this is just my experience, but how often do you guys actually play a map you haven't played before? Admittedly, I can't find much time for gaming right now, but I usually don't play more than one new map a week at most. How often do you guys encounter new maps that this is a thorn in your side?

Szakalot wrote:
Is there some particular reason why everyone being able to see all the civ buildings from the beginning of the map is a bad idea? Other than "i've learned this while playing the map already, and I want others to have to learn it before they can enjoy the map as well so that its 'fair' '

It's probably more a"this is so minor as to be not worth my time, if you care so much, do it yourself" kind of situation, I would bet.

Gorton wrote:
On a different but related note,I think civvie units (i.e the civvies have 20+ MERCIES) shouldn't be there!

See, this doesn't make sense. Why would the buildings be detectable without any sort of scouting or anything, but not the units? What's the rationale there?

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 08 Jan 2014, 07:25

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T04:14:29+02:00

well maybe we could just do it for ladder? Don't we al have a general idea where are opponents are in ladder even if we have never played a particular map before? Also for custom games could you make it an option in the game lobby?

Statistics: Posted by Reaper Zwei — 08 Jan 2014, 04:14

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-08T03:41:41+02:00

i like the idea about showing civillians, but flashing fog can be dangerous if game set on random spawns, you may find out where your opponents are..

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 08 Jan 2014, 03:41

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-07T22:46:59+02:00

I totally agree with this, it would make it much fairer to all players.

On a different but related note,I think civvie units (i.e the civvies have 20+ MERCIES) shouldn't be there!

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 07 Jan 2014, 22:46

Re: Flashing fog of war to reveal civs

2014-01-07T22:41:55+02:00

marked when scouted seems a little late when you've already wasted time sending units that way, unknowing of a major civ base with PDs and whatnot. Why not just show up ALL the civs from the beginning of the game?

asking in chat seems like a waste of time: first of all the opponent might not reply, secondly the explanation might be difficult to perform. Precise locations of PDs are very relevant as well, as well as the amount of reclaim (which usually can be determined from the type of buildings present).

Is there some particular reason why everyone being able to see all the civ buildings from the beginning of the map is a bad idea? Other than "i've learned this while playing the map already, and I want others to have to learn it before they can enjoy the map as well so that its 'fair' '

Statistics: Posted by Szakalot — 07 Jan 2014, 22:41