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Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-06T03:58:51+02:00

It's a decent idea, but I find that to be more of a hassle than it's worth (it's something I tried in the past). Now when you want to do something productive, you have to toggle the build state and sometimes you forget or only do it for some of them... it annoys me when I have a million things to worry about.

My current solution is build that thing most people forget to build... mass storage (and energy storage).

Ever since I moved mass up in my build order (and made e storage very early in my order), these problems rarely proc as I hold enough mass that this isn't a problem. If I have half a tank, a few engies uping a mex won't kill me (and it actually helps speed things up!).
And don't get me started on having a lot of power storage. Haven't stalled in ages! Keep enough e-store on hand that you can cover a tech upgrade without that frantic build for the next level of power. Removes a lot of stress and covers stupid mistakes. (And you can RAS up without minutes of no shields!)

When I get good enough not to need the extra storage buffers, then I'll consider not wasting the time/mass to make them. But since they save me from stalls (and allow for quick pivots for sudden changes in needs) -I'm making them.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 06 Dec 2013, 03:58

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-06T03:03:03+02:00

laPPen wrote:
Pro tip : pause patroling engies too. This way they will still reclaim but not assist stuff.

Actually, that is a really good idea.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 06 Dec 2013, 03:03

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-06T02:24:57+02:00

Reaper Zwei wrote:
-_V_- wrote:It took you how many games to figure this one out ? ROFL

Don't be retar*** and don't pause mexes you don't intend to upgrade soon. Easy!

Yes yes because making fun of him for it makes you sound so intelligent.

I don't need that actually.

This is a management issue. it happens often on big maps. players upgrade all their mex's at once then pause them so that they don't have to click all the mex's singly. it may be easy to just upgrade exactly when you want to upgrade but I though that at least in part this game is not about clicking things. I like the idea of engy's not helping anything that's paused.

How many mexes do you have ? MAx, let's say 20.
20 clicks over 30 min game (just a rough estimation). Yeah HEAVY micro indeed

But nonetheless I also agree that it's annoying. But it's simply not requiring a hard solution. That's all I am trying to point out.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 06 Dec 2013, 02:24

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-06T01:54:04+02:00

Flynn wrote:
I have had scenarios where my mass is inexplicably low and have found 2 or 3 lone engineers assisting mexes THAT I HAVE NOT TOLD THEM TO at the same time as I have been upgrading the mexes that I have wanted to upgrade.

But you did tell them to, when you gave the patrol/attack move order. Understand that this is the behaviour you instructed those engineers to take and adjust your methods accordingly. Never allow your mass to get anywhere near full. Because that is what triggers a patrolling engineer to stop reclaiming and start assisting.

Statistics: Posted by Hawkei — 06 Dec 2013, 01:54

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-06T01:42:11+02:00

Yea, we need to rework the attack move for engies...

How it works now:

1) Reclaim anything a mile from starting locale and along the attack move path.
2) IFF mass >50%, repair/assist in path
3) IFF mass >100%, move to end of path without doing anything
3b) IFF mass falls below 100% while still on path, say screw you ACU and sally forth.
4) IFF attack-move started from factory, upon completion of path just stand there without claiming to be idle.

How it should work:

1) Reclaim by filling your ring with a bunch of reclaimable stuff, reclaim reachable, move on, repeat around attack-move line
2) IFF mass >100%, move on (even mid-reclaiming).
2b) IFF mass falls below 100%, resume reclaiming.

And if paroling, toss in the repair/assist at 25% mass. STOP repairing if mass falls below 25%.

OR just make these auto-behaviors stop if their conditions are no longer met.

Statistics: Posted by errorblankfield — 06 Dec 2013, 01:42

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-05T23:55:02+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
It took you how many games to figure this one out ? ROFL

Don't be retar*** and don't pause mexes you don't intend to upgrade soon. Easy!

Yes yes because making fun of him for it makes you sound so intelligent.

This is a management issue. it happens often on big maps. players upgrade all their mex's at once then pause them so that they don't have to click all the mex's singly. it may be easy to just upgrade exactly when you want to upgrade but I though that at least in part this game is not about clicking things. I like the idea of engy's not helping anything that's paused.

Statistics: Posted by Reaper Zwei — 05 Dec 2013, 23:55

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-05T23:36:07+02:00

Pro tip : pause patroling engies too. This way they will still reclaim but not assist stuff.

Statistics: Posted by laPPen — 05 Dec 2013, 23:36

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-05T23:01:17+02:00

It took you how many games to figure this one out ? ROFL

Don't be retar*** and don't pause mexes you don't intend to upgrade soon. Easy!

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 05 Dec 2013, 23:01

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-05T18:49:48+02:00

and if you press Z?

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 05 Dec 2013, 18:49

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-05T18:50:08+02:00

In addition to what funkoff said: the engineers only start to assist the mexes when you have a lot of mass/energy in storage. So a second solution is: don't float so much mass ^^

That said I would be happy if this behavior is changed

Statistics: Posted by Vee — 05 Dec 2013, 18:49

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-05T18:51:07+02:00

So you want engineers not assist paused stuff while they are on patrol/attack move? but if you just assist they should assist something that is paused?

not sure if it is possible, but this idea actually makes sence, because if you paused something engyes should not assist it automaticly
i support this idea
i wonder if we could even only allow engyes to reclime while they are on patrol and not repair/assist at all, let people learn ground assist command already -_-

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 05 Dec 2013, 18:48

Re: Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-05T18:39:55+02:00

Dont upgrade mexes you dont want to upgrade. (Duh)

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 05 Dec 2013, 18:39

Engineer patrolling/attack move and mex problem

2013-12-05T17:52:54+02:00

Hi, recently when playing I have noticed that if you have all of your mexes paused and your engineers set to patrol/attack move, sometimes they will start assisting the mexes with their upgrades without you having told them to. I have had scenarios where my mass is inexplicably low and have found 2 or 3 lone engineers assisting mexes THAT I HAVE NOT TOLD THEM TO at the same time as I have been upgrading the mexes that I have wanted to upgrade. This could literally mean the difference between winning and losing a game in some cases. Can this feature be easily disabled? Thanks.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 05 Dec 2013, 17:52