Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T13:50:14+02:00

Lame wrote:
i had no say in the number of maps in the pool.
i was the first to post after ~5 days and the only other public post from a winnter was quit's.
considering that one suggestion was not made public - one post had 75% of his maps chosen despite him not beeing a winner
and that you told anaryl in chat that you didnt took all of his maps because you didnt want a huge map pool this clearly makes it your responsibility.

Seriously?

I didn't find a lot of the maps anaryl has posted. And I've only removed the map that were faction unbalanced, like four corner.

You know what, you won. The map pool is now theta, blasted rock, finn's and open palms.

Matchmaker will be removed entirely on the next lobby update.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 09 Nov 2013, 13:50

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T13:09:21+02:00

i had no say in the number of maps in the pool.
i was the first to post after ~5 days and the only other public post from a winnter was quit's.
considering that one suggestion was not made public - one post had 75% of his maps chosen despite him not beeing a winner
and that you told anaryl in chat that you didnt took all of his maps because you didnt want a huge map pool this clearly makes it your responsibility.

Statistics: Posted by Lame — 09 Nov 2013, 13:09

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T12:35:17+02:00

I know the theorical system Zep, but as you explained to me in the other mappool topic, it didn't work like it was supposed to.

As only 2 of the 12 selected players gave some map ideas on the forum, and never got questionned about map numbers or at least which map should leave the pool, we can't really say "decided".

Anyway, new season is started, let's hope it will keep players active.

Statistics: Posted by Lu_Xun_17 — 09 Nov 2013, 12:35

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T11:46:35+02:00

Lu_Xun_17 wrote:
As you can see nearly no one who have posted in this topic is an active ranked player, neither you or me.

Anyway i hope next mappool rotation will happen better all in all.

Map pool, and so the number of maps, is decided by winners of leagues, and so by the most active ranked players.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 09 Nov 2013, 11:46

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T11:20:02+02:00

I agree the way the message was delivered wasn't very friendly, also i also didn't get the point of lashing out zep.
Maybe this reaction happened because of ranked players (who were a lot in chat to complain about mappool size), but don't read and post on the forum, so there were no following or support of the request.
As you can see nearly no one who have posted in this topic is an active ranked player, neither you or me.

Anyway i hope next mappool rotation will happen better all in all.
And finally to give my opinion to the topic : 20 maps would be better i think.

Statistics: Posted by Lu_Xun_17 — 09 Nov 2013, 11:20

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T10:59:17+02:00

Lu_Xun_17 wrote:
I am horrified when i read this kind of posts ShadowKnight. So is this the future of the community? I should also leave now then before an even bigger disapointment.

I don't care about the number of maps, i just see how some new players have no respect when talking to some of the oldest players the community is still lucky to have.

All I see is someone who is butthurt that the hours he spent memorising build orders for maps just got wasted. He literally just called everyone who disagrees with him a noob, lashed out at Ze_PilOt as though this is somehow his fault, and equated playing no-rush 20 to being the same as wanting a larger map pool.

Someone who lashes out like that, who makes dumbass comparisons, and who somehow makes this everyone's fault but his own is not someone the community is 'Still lucky to have'.

Also, I've been around for just as long as he has...

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 09 Nov 2013, 10:59

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T10:17:48+02:00

I am horrified when i read this kind of posts ShadowKnight. So is this the future of the community? I should also leave now then before an even bigger disapointment.

I don't care about the number of maps, i just see how some new players have no respect when talking to some of the oldest players the community is still lucky to have.

Statistics: Posted by Lu_Xun_17 — 09 Nov 2013, 10:17

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T10:05:15+02:00

ToejamS wrote:
Looks like the war is lost. I have to express my dissapointment at the number of players who think a noob shit level of play is fun. Want to play billions of maps thats what custom is for. Might as well play 20 no rush as it the same thing. I follwed faf from day dot as I thought this would improve the game. This has taken it a big step backwards. Im really disappointed with the community and with you zep. You let me down. I thought you appreciated something more than this. I thought wrong. Maybe the players of old were the best. They studied the game not just thrashed about like noobs wanting to play simcity.

Fine by us, bye then. Go play Starcraft if you enjoy 6 maps and memorisation.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 09 Nov 2013, 10:05

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T10:15:47+02:00

ToejamS wrote:
Looks like the war is lost. I have to express my dissapointment at the number of players who think a noob shit level of play is fun. Want to play billions of maps thats what custom is for. Might as well play 20 no rush as it the same thing. I follwed faf from day dot as I thought this would improve the game. This has taken it a big step backwards. Im really disappointed with the community and with you zep. You let me down. I thought you appreciated something more than this. I thought wrong. Maybe the players of old were the best. They studied the game not just thrashed about like noobs wanting to play simcity.

Thank you for the elegant rebuttal of the points we raised! You completely destroyed our arguments and the map pool shall be shrunk immediately!

If you feel like letting of some steam, make a cup of tea instead of venting on the forums..

Its sad to the people raised some valid points that agreed with you... Thanks to you they are less likely to be noticed.

EDIT: That was a bit harsh sorry, but seriously it would be nice to get some more clarification and clear arguments, as opposed to just insulting everyone :L

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 09 Nov 2013, 09:22

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T04:19:28+02:00

Large numbers of maps=less BO memorization=More thinking=More strategy=More fun

Statistics: Posted by Swkoll — 09 Nov 2013, 04:19

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T04:17:34+02:00

ToejamS wrote:
Looks like the war is lost. I have to express my dissapointment at the number of players who think a noob shit level of play is fun. Want to play billions of maps thats what custom is for. Might as well play 20 no rush as it the same thing. I follwed faf from day dot as I thought this would improve the game. This has taken it a big step backwards. Im really disappointed with the community and with you zep. You let me down. I thought you appreciated something more than this. I thought wrong. Maybe the players of old were the best. They studied the game not just thrashed about like noobs wanting to play simcity.

Maybe you should learn to set up a build when you see a map, instead of playing it 50 times before you finally perfect it. Maybe that adds a bit more intense strategy to the game.

Statistics: Posted by Krieger — 09 Nov 2013, 04:17

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T03:57:45+02:00

Looks like the war is lost. I have to express my dissapointment at the number of players who think a noob shit level of play is fun. Want to play billions of maps thats what custom is for. Might as well play 20 no rush as it the same thing. I follwed faf from day dot as I thought this would improve the game. This has taken it a big step backwards. Im really disappointed with the community and with you zep. You let me down. I thought you appreciated something more than this. I thought wrong. Maybe the players of old were the best. They studied the game not just thrashed about like noobs wanting to play simcity.

Statistics: Posted by ToejamS — 09 Nov 2013, 03:57

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-09T02:52:58+02:00

My vote goes to the more maps, the better. Supreme Commander is a game of grand scale, and it would be a little contradictory to only have a few battlefields with which to prove yourself. One of the reasons I love this game so much, is the variety and the beauty of some of the maps, and it would be quite sad to see that reduced simply to let others feel more competitive.

Like someone already mentioned, skill should defeat build order. I only know the reclaim for about 4-5 maps, but I use the 30 seconds I have at the beginning whilst constructing a factory to look around and prioritize reclaim.

Adapt to your map and you'll find that your victories (and close-fought battles) will be all the sweeter

im enjoying the fact theres a whole ton of maps ive never heard of, and would probably never choose or see if it wasn't for the Ladder.

Also that.

Statistics: Posted by Snakeb1te — 09 Nov 2013, 02:52

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-08T23:12:50+02:00

ToejamS wrote:
I dont know about you guys but I like to play my opponent rather than the map. (.........) I think if a player wants to improve, its impossible without studying his games/replays and the map in general. How the hell you sposed to do that with 30 maps. Impossible!!!! Basically the players that spam the most games not the players that put their time into learning the game and the map likely win. I think that is wrong. But if your happy with crap games who am I to argue.

And I don't know about you, but I prefer to play my opponent rather than his build order.

One sentiment that I can agree with is that, as a new player, finding and understanding the reclaim can be difficult. HOWEVER, that is a skill you can learn and is not map dependant.

As I stated previously, people who played the map more will have an advantage, and it will be the same ratio, no matter how many maps are in the pool. Your first time playing the map? Its his tenth. Your third time playing? Its his 30th. The fact of the matter is that he is more experienced on ladder.

Studying your replays is not dependant on knowing the map at all. As it stands, putting the time in to learn the game itself and not the maps is a far better idea than learning the map itself. As a person who does not play ladder regularly, but still plays a lot of 1v1's (Mostly on non-ladder maps) I can confidently say this.

In actuality, your example of a good game on open palm was one of the worst ones for your cause. Its a prime example of two player who are experienced on the map having a game, and you class this as good. However, imagine trying to get up to that level as a completely new player! The only reason this is good for you is that you have played the map before and are looking to get back into it. If the map pool is new for everyone, everyone is on even footing, if its new for some, then some have a bigger advantage. Think about how you are learning the maps on ladder, WITH everyone else. If the ladder pool was small and you were trying to get into it.... You would be fucked.....

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 08 Nov 2013, 23:12

Re: Number of maps in the ranked pool

2013-11-08T22:16:05+02:00

yeah, lets make the ladder so hard no one plays it, nice idea firemessiah. I dont remember you from vanilla beta, which in my opinion makes you the newbie. I do see where you are coming from but this is a game that should be studied and improved not, he lets just build this and see what happens, thats just a shit way of playing. Maps, game style, strats and build orders should all be learned. Loosing simply because a player has had the chance to play that map before, does that sound like the best player is winning?

The improvisational skill is playing your opponent, adapting and overcoming not bumblefucking around on a map to see what works. Pfft

Statistics: Posted by ToejamS — 08 Nov 2013, 22:16