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Re: More shields can be worse..

2013-11-02T04:41:41+02:00

Well, my point is not about the Ahwassa, but the shield behaving in a illogical and intuitive way (getting weaker if you get more in some cases).

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 02 Nov 2013, 04:41

Re: More shields can be worse..

2013-11-02T03:15:38+02:00

Huh??

Ah well, that explains why that T4 bomber got through my six Cybran shields in one pass :s

Anyway: An Ahwassa does 11K damage. My base AA is usually sufficient to shoot them down in one pass.

I had that on Rohan the other day: two enemies with one Ahwassa each, not coordinating and sending the 2nd one just a bit too late: I shot both down. Unfortunately they dropped outside the map

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 02 Nov 2013, 03:15

Re: More shields can be worse..

2013-11-02T02:08:20+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
That's not new, it was part of the shield nerf a year ago.

The point is that one single t3 shield doesn't go down from one bomb, but multiple layered t3 and t2 shield go down. Is that really the way it was meant to be (multiple shields giving worse protection than a single one).

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 02 Nov 2013, 02:08

Re: More shields can be worse..

2013-11-01T18:12:13+02:00

You are of course right on the way to deal with an Ahwassa, but I don't see how "Building shields" is a mistake (especially when you see an Ahwassa on the field).

The Ahwassa base bombing thing is best done with more than one ahwassa. If your opponent reacts fast enough to switch a shield on as soon as one is "bombed" off, simply attack with two Ahwassas.

Of course, when one Ahwassa is built and actually makes it to the enemy base, the enemy has already lost and the mass could just as well have been spent on cruisers, battleships or loads of siege tanks, T3 artillery and T3 shields. Even more so when you can afford two Ahwassas to kill your enemy.

But that's not really the point, I think. The Ahwassa is still a very good way to finish off a base and also (in my opinion) a lot of fun to use (not so much fun if it's against you).

Anyway, this is a problem with more experimentals than just the Ahwassa. The Soul Ripper and the CZAR both have the problem of being very, very good at killing anything when there's a tad too little enemy anti-air (in any form), and extremely bad at killing something when the enemy has enough AA. The CZAR is the worst of all of these, but at least you get to kill half the enemy base with the CZAR anyway.

As with all experimentals, these weapons are supposed to be part of your army instead of a lone enforcer. The Ahwassa itself becomes better if there are just a few strategic bombers nearby: kill the shield with the T3 bombers, then have the Ahwassa kill everything underneath. Weirdly, I have never seen this being done or attempted it myself.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 01 Nov 2013, 18:12

Re: More shields can be worse..

2013-11-01T16:31:35+02:00

l am probably the worst guy to comment on this.
I never really liked bombers, even if they are experimentals. True , ahwassa, can be devastating, under certain conditions, but I fiercely dislike even the thought of using one as the spearhead of a strategy. To my eyes, seeing your opponent making such a blatant mistake, only to be answered by a worse mistake, ie building shields is .....pfff what can I say!
I may very well be bombed by an ahwabomination, but this means I have already lost the game. If I have a choice , I will shoot it into oblivion with my asfs as soon as it takes off, or just before it is finished as a lesson to be learnt.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 01 Nov 2013, 16:31

Re: More shields can be worse..

2013-11-01T14:28:50+02:00

Its not too hard to counter Ahwassa. Toggle one t3 shield off and after bomb drop on again. If you have 3 x t3 shields which you toggle on and off you can hold your base much longer.

Statistics: Posted by RoLa — 01 Nov 2013, 14:28

Re: More shields can be worse..

2013-11-01T14:13:28+02:00

That's not new, it was part of the shield nerf a year ago.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 01 Nov 2013, 14:13

Re: More shields can be worse..

2013-11-01T14:06:08+02:00

Why is this a SCFAReplay instead of a FAFReplay?

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 01 Nov 2013, 14:06

More shields can be worse..

2013-11-01T14:01:41+02:00

If you stack static shields they receive more damage than solo shields if hit by weapons with huge splash (Ahwassa bomb for example), so in that case more can be less, IMO that is bad.

(replay attached to demonstrate my point)

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 01 Nov 2013, 14:01