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Re: just curious

2013-10-09T09:57:47+02:00

Adding a roll-off time would be worse for lower tech then higher tech, given the roll-off time is the same for both.

Actually, when I finally get the T3 Pgens up, I usually find myself with too little engineering power to spent all my mass on ASF. I kinda hate the T1 engi clutter usually used with Aeon, so often I get a Cybran engi from a teammate to make hyves.

Yes, it matters who has the largest swarm, but you don't have to face them directly. You can instead opt to snipe their factories

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 09 Oct 2013, 09:57

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T20:32:08+02:00

Well shadow we don't need to get into some pointless argument over balance over the whole game. You were telling me the thing about the roll of time for air in chat last night and you were representing it as a fact. even saying as much about a few of the comments made. So I made this thread to see if people really did agree with the things stated even though I myself did not. As the title stated I was curious. Especially about that 12 out of the top 20 players comment that you made. you said that was fact. Judging by the responses seen here I'd say not so much.

Statistics: Posted by Reaper Zwei — 08 Oct 2013, 20:32

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T20:22:55+02:00

Two keys point:

- People will always complain about the last thing they have lost to, or to what they did not understand, no matter if it's in fact balanced or not.
- They will only take the problem in the most simplest way possible, not always the smartest.

ie. a while ago, Mercies were supposedly OP and "people" wanted DPS nerf, speed nerf, fuel nerf, cost increase, whatever. I'm pretty sure that if you let that running in a long enough time, you will end up with corsair/t1 AA/flak buffs.
After some days of analyzing the problem, it was simply the hit box of the mercy being too small for the mesh/bones, resulting in the AA missing them a lot.
That has been fixed, nothing more, problem solved.

Of course, this require knowledge and time, two things that not all people have, and rarely at the same time.

That's why doing statistics about what people complain about and making balance suggestions out of it is probably the worst thing you can do.

We will have a balance period, with hopefully a team of experienced players with time to test things, and you will be able to argue with them at that time.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 08 Oct 2013, 20:22

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T20:13:37+02:00

ASF Micro is KEY to winning air fights

Could you elaborate a little? I didn't realise that you could actually micro swarms of fighters.

Statistics: Posted by Snakeb1te — 08 Oct 2013, 20:13

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T19:23:30+02:00

none of this is from 'Random Comments' The vast majority is from PM chat, with some coming from forum posts and some coming from more solidly held beliefs expressed in aeolus. Reaper has also misrepresented this a bit; I merely stated that there seemed to me to be an overarching belief that there is a T2-T3 air gulf.

There's absolutely no point at all pointing the 'Ha you lost u mad' stick at me, because I've played like, 4 ranked games on FAF, none of which were against Aeon, and before that had not played for yonks. Makes sense, because I am indeed a low rated player, my opinion counts for nothing. This is why I started asking questions and recording answers of those who ARE qualified. Much of the data is un-named, much of it isn't, but that doesn't get rid of the fact that I have more hits concerning Aurora than any other topic, then T3 air. Then it's Engiemod and its associated effects, then the Adjacency bonus changes, then Cybran Air Factory rolloff time.

Similarly, when asked the best fix for T3 Air's "Problem", the most frequent response so far has been to introduce a rolloff time. You don't shoot a publisher for the opinions of its authors, so please don't confuse my own opinion with that I've collected from others. Mine isn't worth a dime :p

EDIT:

The list continues BTW. A few people have mentioned multiple concerns each, and a lot of them surprised me, and only have one hit each. Things like "Mantis is too fast", "T1 Cybran Arty is OP", "Flare anti-torpedoes bugged to fail sometimes", "Billy OP", "Billy UP" etc. The sheer breadth of concerns is astounding, and that's the primary reason I think one should collect as much data as possible, to find out the thing the most people are concerned about.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 08 Oct 2013, 19:23

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T18:56:08+02:00

I joined CCs t3 air crusdade long time ago (maybe before himself ), but it is very unrelated to the issues/solutions in this thread and i'd like to dissociate myself from this like anyone else so far.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 08 Oct 2013, 18:56

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T18:46:56+02:00

I would like this thread to no derail in yet another pointless balance discussion or noob bashing or whatever. Thanks.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 08 Oct 2013, 18:46

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T18:31:28+02:00

Wait wait wait hold the phone Shadow. Now there are concerns with Aurora's? You sure your not just projecting your concerns onto these guys? So that it can justify those concerns to others? Like when you were talking to me last night? and what concerns could there possibly be for Aurora's?(I feel as if you have lost to these things in the past and your blaming the game instead of your skill.)

I dont want to be a retard but i honestly do belive that people with 589 rating don't really have the qualification to talk about balance.

I would mostly agree with this. However I don't think that we shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion(I have a rating in the 1100's). well as long as its phrased that way.

Statistics: Posted by Reaper Zwei — 08 Oct 2013, 18:31

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T17:54:18+02:00

ShadowKnight wrote:
Sheppard

Pls dont put my name under random statements
I dont want to be a retard but i honestly do belive that people with 589 rating don't really have the qualification to talk about balance.
(I don't say i have... )

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 08 Oct 2013, 17:54

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T17:49:13+02:00

I never talked with you about that topic shadownight

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 08 Oct 2013, 17:49

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T17:44:30+02:00

I am not a top 20 player but i should be somewhere in the top 100 at least.
I dont see anything imba about t3 air and esp asf. If there is a slight concern towards t3 air and asf it is that asf might be a little weak compared to restorers. At least in big numbers and certain situations. With sam buffs from some patches ago they are no where close of beeing to strong. As someone mentioned before: asf feel weaker compared to t1 fighters then t3 ground feels compared to t1 ground.
Pls no more asf nerfs !

Statistics: Posted by laPPen — 08 Oct 2013, 17:44

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T16:56:43+02:00

But i dont remember talking with ShadowKnighing about anything, in fact, im positive i've never talked to him at all.
He probably "collected" his arguments from all the players by reading random comments in aeolus and then making assumptions (did he even ask someone directly?..) I was surprised to know that i think t3 air has issues and it needs to be fixed.

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 08 Oct 2013, 16:56

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T16:23:13+02:00

Comments about various stuff = / = "dominant opinion in one subject"
The crusader against t3 air is as we all know CrusaderChariotCrazed (=CCC), probably Zock joined him aswell but the others have as far as i heard either a split opinion or dont support your argument. I personally dont think there is a problem about t3 air

Statistics: Posted by Blackheart — 08 Oct 2013, 16:23

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T16:17:54+02:00

I have comments on various subjects from Zock, Blackheart, LuXun, yourself voodoo, Isen, Crazed, ZLO, Gala, congreve, and I thought I had some from VoR-Tex as well. About 70% of the suggestions, opinions, and other junk I've collected are either un-named (I wasn't keeping track to start with) and/or other players not in top 20 (Of whom I've spoken to all). Brainfart, TA4life, mr-Smith, Sheppard, Mozart are some other notables ive got stuff from. Of all opinions, the Aurora has the highest number of hits with 'Concerns' as I call them, followed by T3 air dominance and, since PilOt released the stats, the UEF's low score.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 08 Oct 2013, 16:17

Re: just curious

2013-10-08T15:30:47+02:00

Can you tell us the names of from these 12 pros?

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 08 Oct 2013, 15:30