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Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-22T06:53:11+02:00

Solution #1: Stop playing such a lame map.

Statistics: Posted by gnatinator — 22 Sep 2013, 06:53

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-20T10:57:46+02:00

da_monstr wrote:
. Also, if you put those same rules in a Gap of Rohan game, the situation would be exactly the same.

If it's being abused, it will.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 20 Sep 2013, 10:57

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-20T10:51:14+02:00

I admit, it's rarely played with air/hill etc. But just saying in chat "no air pls" is usually not enough, as there is always that one russian/chinese/whatever that doesn't speak a word of English and doesn't get it. In all of the thermo games i ever joined, they had air off in unit restrictions, exactly for that reason -> unranked. Also, if you put those same rules in a Gap of Rohan game, the situation would be exactly the same.

btw: is thermo survival still in vault?

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 20 Sep 2013, 10:51

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-20T08:21:10+02:00

If nobody abused it in the first place, it still would have been ranked.

Maybe YOU never abused it, but it's not what the majority did. Blame them, not me.

I've removed about 65 thermo maps, most of them made for abuse, sorry if I didn't looked the details in each one of these.

I've removed it from ranked so nobody has any reason to try abusing that map anymore. Make my life easier, problem solved, and as the map should be unranked 99,9% of the time (no air/no hill), everybody is happy.

And don't tell me that it's played with air/hill a lot. There was maybe 2 games without restrictions played in a a year.

Stop finding outrageous decisions where there is none. It's not a decision I've made one day when I woke up, it was a decision that was forced on me by the general behavior of the players.

I see no sense in this restriction

Look closer then. It's NEVER played normally.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 20 Sep 2013, 08:21

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-20T01:52:50+02:00

I just don't get this. Sure, there is a lot of noobness in thermo. But thermo unranked... why??? If you dislike it, fine. But for example, the map "voodoo thermo spezial" was pretty useful, if you wanted to host a game, that would enable everyone access to tech of all 4 factions, and was not unbalanced. And you ban it because... reasons.

Mr-Smith wrote:
well i have no problem with making imbalanced maps unranked.
or maps with restrictions.

but making thermo unranked just because ppl could make rules when they host it.

Than you would have to make setons unranked because the have their stupid mixing navy rule.
If i would host setons and tell the ppl in the lobby its no air/navy its actually thermo...

would be nice if you would not start making normal maps that are balanced unranked.

and well if you put 8 noobs in a game tell them that air/nuke/sat/tele/para/arty/tml/drones/hill is not allowed
at 10 min someone would start with air because he does not speak englsih at all... other team would build air than to... someoen would teamkill him. and than the rest rage quites.

Exactly so! +1!

I see no sense in this restriction. While I rarely play thermo myself, I still can't get over this restriction. I just fear that such practice will be applied to random elements of the game, as will the the forces that be see fit. *cough* engymod *cough*

Statistics: Posted by da_monstr — 20 Sep 2013, 01:52

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T23:49:07+02:00

You guys should rather be happy that there is a thermo map in the vault. Ze_Pilot was about to remove all and dissalow any new because a lot of people abused this map hardcore. So just sit back, be happy that you can still play thermo, and if you want to rating stack, use Isis.

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 19 Sep 2013, 23:49

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T23:11:02+02:00

Though, I am deeply plunged in sin, and the last thing I would like is to criticise other people's tastes, I find that you really miss a lot if you play thermo without air and hills. In fact I would like to play in maps where your base may be vulnerable from above the hill.. Not necessarily thermo, the only defect of which imo, is the huge corridor in the middle and the huge hills that inhibit mobility; no fantasy at all.
Anyway , I think that if no script twists the default rules in thermo, it should be ranked. I could understand the ban ,though, if such scripts are hard to find and disable. A twisting of the rating system exists one way or another nevertheless. There are people that enjoy ridiculously high ratings with a ridiculous lack of variety in the maps they play(I am no Saint, I have abused this fact myself; Isis anyone? )
I hate to repeat simple truths, but someone has to do it.
The opposite is true; there are players with negative ratings(for whatever reason) that are anything but noobs. A match with such a player could ruin the playing experience of true noobs.
Another truth is the sick attempt by some to distort the true spiritt of SupCom, by introducing in a sneaky way maps that bypass the default rules of the game. An unranking of thermo as punishment for such behavior though not according to my way of thinking, is understandable.
An extreme, though maybe effective and easy to implement way to deal with the above problems, is unranking every game that is not ladder, as a first step. One could also go on increasing the variety of the ladder maps, or introduce a 2v2 ladder if there's spare time willingness and knowledge.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 19 Sep 2013, 23:11

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T20:10:15+02:00

Because of the implicit rules. And "no air" it's far worst than "not mixing navies".

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 19 Sep 2013, 20:10

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T20:06:55+02:00

I think you dont get my point Myxir

Im not talking about maps with mavor wrecks on one side.

Im talking about the offical thermo map, or thermo v3

those maps have no wrecks at all.
they dont have any restriction in their map script.
and are still unraked.

and that should not be.

thermo maps never had any problem with being rated in the past. just when those maps came up that disabled units per script.it got a bit of a problem.

Statistics: Posted by Mr-Smith — 19 Sep 2013, 20:06

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T19:58:28+02:00

you could easily farm rating on these maps

get an imbalanced map (mavor wreck on your side, the others get nothing), no air/nukes/drones/gameender guaranteed by mapscript so you don't have to disable them in the lobby, your game is still ranked and you just bash your opponents

Statistics: Posted by Myxir — 19 Sep 2013, 19:58

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T19:20:17+02:00

well i have no problem with making imbalanced maps unranked.
or maps with restrictions.

but making thermo unranked just because ppl could make rules when they host it.

Than you would have to make setons unranked because the have their stupid mixing navy rule.
If i would host setons and tell the ppl in the lobby its no air/navy its actually thermo...

would be nice if you would not start making normal maps that are balanced unranked.

and well if you put 8 noobs in a game tell them that air/nuke/sat/tele/para/arty/tml/drones/hill is not allowed
at 10 min someone would start with air because he does not speak englsih at all... other team would build air than to... someoen would teamkill him. and than the rest rage quites.

Statistics: Posted by Mr-Smith — 19 Sep 2013, 19:20

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T18:40:05+02:00

Also people are playing with no build restrictions in the lobby while adding arbitrary rules (like no air/no cliff/whatever), messing up the rating system.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 19 Sep 2013, 18:40

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T17:22:19+02:00

there were many really imbalanced thermo maps in the vault (extreme like a mavor wreck on one side, nothing on the other), also the map scrips disabled air, nukes etc so the game would still be ranked
this one was the main reason why thermo was first banished from the vault but then allowed again under these circumstances

Statistics: Posted by Myxir — 19 Sep 2013, 17:22

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T16:52:28+02:00

that is pretty sad ...
On what reason you unranked it? just because it has such a simple heightmap?

I played it with no rules / restriction and as far as i see there is no reason for makeing that map unraked.
We already have a ton of thermo maps that are unraked because of ther unit restrictions.

Statistics: Posted by Mr-Smith — 19 Sep 2013, 16:52

Re: are all thermo maps unraked now??

2013-09-19T15:30:23+02:00

They are all unranked yes.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 19 Sep 2013, 15:30