Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-23T18:15:05+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
kicking a newbie from a game and telling them to watch replays if they want to learn doesn't help, either

Yes it does. 90% "good" players around learned like that.

There might be no vault for FAF, but GR still exist .

Yep, thanks for proving the point. Thing is there are already so many established players its hard to get your foot in the door so why slam it on them. Why not help more players improve so there is more competition. The community is too small that the number of games to join are limited and to limit that further makes it nigh on impossible to get games. I think we owe it to others to help them improve, Ive had some good players help me ( didnt work but they tried). But then slating noobs is more fun and easier. Players like you are exactly the reason a lot of players leave. I will be honest, you should have a good introspective look at yourself and your attitude as it is of absolutely no use to FAF.

We should really be getting behind new players and encouraging them not chasing them away, abusing them and being rude to them.

Statistics: Posted by ToejamS — 23 Jan 2012, 18:15

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-23T17:48:10+02:00

Honarius wrote:
I just want to say that after not playing Supreme Commander for years, apon my return I am disgusted at the general treatment of noobs by this community. I have received no end of scorn, random kicks from games and useless advice such as "join a noobs game". I feel that so many people playing this game are out of touch with the process of learning to play it (a veritable learning cliff) or are so self centred and narcissitic that they treat the newcomers like trash and scare them off. Do these people realise that those noobs are the only hope for this games future or do they want to keep farting around with their elitist friends and watch as the numbers dwindle down to nothing due to attrition.
Honestly, I don't know how much more I can bother trying to play this game again if I keep watching the same people do the same dumb things and act as if its fine.

It's unfortunate that some people are like that, but I try to play along-side noobs in circumstances like that whenever I can. Most of those "pros" don't mind bashing a team of me and some noobs... and at least the noobs get a chance to play.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 23 Jan 2012, 17:48

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-23T17:29:20+02:00

I just want to say that after not playing Supreme Commander for years, apon my return I am disgusted at the general treatment of noobs by this community. I have received no end of scorn, random kicks from games and useless advice such as "join a noobs game". I feel that so many people playing this game are out of touch with the process of learning to play it (a veritable learning cliff) or are so self centred and narcissitic that they treat the newcomers like trash and scare them off. Do these people realise that those noobs are the only hope for this games future or do they want to keep farting around with their elitist friends and watch as the numbers dwindle down to nothing due to attrition.
Honestly, I don't know how much more I can bother trying to play this game again if I keep watching the same people do the same dumb things and act as if its fine.

Statistics: Posted by Honarius — 23 Jan 2012, 17:29

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-19T12:57:47+02:00

there r many big pro assholes out there, and bad behaviour vs noobs is guaranteed - but there are good pros also which dont kick the newbies or bad players and help to improve ur skills if u want to. so the only solution as noob is to go along with this situation and play on as long is it makes fun and to ignore the asshole faction.

Statistics: Posted by Batmansrueckkehr — 19 Jan 2012, 12:57

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-18T12:43:56+02:00

Im quite prepared to host a daily session maybe with some other players to help get noobs up to speed. This would include watching a pro play on that map, playing that map, then discussing the result where improvements in game play can be made. Maybe uber might help with this. I will talk with uber about this and maybe start something up.

Statistics: Posted by ToejamS — 18 Jan 2012, 12:43

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-18T00:02:45+02:00

<---- Hey look! V has her own emoticon!

Statistics: Posted by Antoninus — 18 Jan 2012, 00:02

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-17T22:34:53+02:00

kicking a newbie from a game and telling them to watch replays if they want to learn doesn't help, either

Yes it does. 90% "good" players around learned like that.

There might be no vault for FAF, but GR still exist .

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 17 Jan 2012, 22:34

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-17T21:47:02+02:00

Thanks to Uber and Toejam and others who are being so supportive of our newer players. I appreciate people who are willing to train noobs, but I intentionally did not evoke training as a solution in my original post. I know a lot of players don't want to train others and we shouldn't create an environment where we expect people to tax their time with the game by training new players. Having said that, kicking a newbie from a game and telling them to watch replays if they want to learn doesn't help, either. (Reminder: there is no FAF replay vault

Another issue that has come up over the past week is that good players tell new players to host noob games if they want to learn. That's fine and dandy when 50 people are searching for games, but after Europe goes to bed (7-8PM USA time) there usually are like 5 in the WHOLE WORLD. These guys deserve to be included in whatever games are available and I'd ask people to be more accommodating than a random kick at best, or flaming them at worst.

One possible solution is to enable death share on games with a newbie outlier. Then when they inevitably get stomped they won't automatically lose the game for the team.

I'm just throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Statistics: Posted by Antoninus — 17 Jan 2012, 21:47

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-12T19:08:04+02:00

http://forums.gaspowered.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=50272

All of those are fantastic guides that I highly recommend to anyone wishing to learn more about the game.

If you would like training, feel free to PM me and I'll be more than happy to help.

Statistics: Posted by uberge3k — 12 Jan 2012, 19:08

Re: Noob Bashing

2012-01-12T17:59:31+02:00

I completely agree with Antoninus.

I started playing FA a year ago but only recently started playing on FAF.

It is hard to keep playing when your first online game, is a complete fail.
That's bad.

But Maverick's comments on chat and in game are not very motivational. Getting kicked because you have <1000 points isn't exactly the way to learn this awesome game.
And it is not only maverick (he is just the only one who can't stop whining about it).

maybe in every game 2 noobs, one in each team? or 3pro +1noob vs 3pro ? (I know, 7 players are not ideal...just ideas :p)

In my opinion there is not enough info about how to play, or tactics. (if I'am wrong, pls post the site :p)
you can watch replays, but when you don't know where to look it is pointless.

Currently Praisegugleourmaster, on youtube, does great job on learning people how to play.

however :p It is nice to hear there are people who are willing to teach noobs.

Statistics: Posted by FiveZero — 12 Jan 2012, 17:59

Re: Noob Bashing

2011-12-31T05:40:17+02:00

I head uberge3k also finds enjoyable to teach ppl FA

Statistics: Posted by Raging_Squirrel — 31 Dec 2011, 05:40

Re: Noob Bashing

2011-12-31T01:06:27+02:00

if someone want learn and im in the lobby feel free to ask, i was the teacher of isen and chevalier, ask me and become my padawan lol

Statistics: Posted by Armmagedon — 31 Dec 2011, 01:06

Re: Noob Bashing

2011-12-30T15:31:42+02:00

Bad behavior in chat are not tolerated.

I don't mind Maverick, for example (I find him funny), but it will be considered bad behavior once one guy will feel offended.
So, be "rude" at your own risk.

You can PM, with screenshots, if you find something inappropriate.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 30 Dec 2011, 15:31

Re: Noob Bashing

2011-12-30T00:48:06+02:00

Yeah, its sad. As much as I can I try to stop that sort of thing in chat but I cant watch for it 24/7. You are right, its a very hard game to master but I will be honest, its really worth it. For a while, you will have to try to stick with games with players of about your own rating and dont take anything pro asshats have to say.

Statistics: Posted by ToejamS — 30 Dec 2011, 00:48

Re: Noob Bashing

2011-12-29T19:29:21+02:00

LOL
Yes mav hate fucking noob
But we are not all same.

Statistics: Posted by [W.W.]Velaone — 29 Dec 2011, 19:29