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Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-09T11:00:47+02:00

Idea that will surely be subject to much "Discussion" next patch

However it certainly won't be in this one.

If you really are that desperate to balance, playing the balance testing mod and posting replays of the changes in real games could help a lot

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 09 Jul 2013, 11:00

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-09T01:12:23+02:00

LittleInferno wrote:
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Please get out of my thread. This is a no trolls zone!

Statistics: Posted by Astrofoo — 09 Jul 2013, 01:12

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-09T00:28:33+02:00

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Statistics: Posted by LittleInferno — 09 Jul 2013, 00:28

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-08T01:17:57+02:00

"As a cybran player I find their slow air fac of little practical significance, and I can list a whole argument behind that but I'll leave it at the fact that people kick plenty of ass using cybran despite that fact."
Because they can't really nerf cybran players, other factions find funny excuses to mitigate the sorrows receiving from the red faction.I say, increase the time for the production of engies from air factory and even ban jesters; we ll find a way to make you come back crying for another cybran nerf
Disclaimer: This is of course a troll post in case you thought otherwise !

On a more serious tone I think that if jester is thought to be op, it should be adjusted accordingly, engineers should have nothing to do with it. Only take care to not give us in return more powerful pds; I d rather eat my guts than relying on seeding trees and raising umbrellas to win my battles.
Disclaimer: a serious post with just a scent of troll aroma!

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 08 Jul 2013, 01:17

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T21:59:51+02:00

VoiceofReason wrote:
The difference in roll-off times Im sure was purely the result of animation differences, I doubt it was a "balance" measure in anyway. If that's the case, then as a community trying to balance the game to perfection we should FIX the Cybran Air Factory, and balance the jester(or cybran) accordingly if it creates an issue(doubtful)

With both the cybran and phim factories originally having different rolloff times than every other factory, that should be a big sign that this isn't a 'feature' but rather a result of a lack of animation testing by gpg. Otherwise, why would the best t1 land factories not also have a different rolloff time?

Cybran players should be able to do the conventional first bomber BO and not be gimped. Saying they shouldn't because of a single unit is like saying UEF has the best t3 land unit, changing the rolloff time and gimping all other aspects of the factory while hardly balancing the Percy itself.

If the Jester needs to be changed in order for the factory to be fixed that is what we should do. The balance team needs to come to a consensus and decide, since this thread is going nowhere despite the majority agreeing that the cybran air factory need to have its built times normalized.

Statistics: Posted by Ato0theJ — 07 Jul 2013, 21:59

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T20:38:13+02:00

vongratz wrote:
Diversity is about weapons, and combat units.The penalty for an economy at start of the game , ONLY one viz-a-viz all others, is unfair.

No, really its more like this ^^^

Diversity has nothing to do with it.

Why was the sera air factory changed? Was that considered a "buff?"
Its just one factory(faction) that gets the ridiculous disadvantage, and all else are more or less same as each other excluding the imba sera air factory - let alone something so basic.

Are jesters, or cybran air soooo OP that they are denied engies at the same speed as EVERY OTHER FACTION?

Or is it you think manti are so powerful? I thought that's why they have a weak acu.

I thought the jesters stats have been altered lots to balance it already back in the day of gpg patches?...I didn't know lots of ppl are screaming op jesters

The difference in roll-off times Im sure was purely the result of animation differences, I doubt it was a "balance" measure in anyway. If that's the case, then as a community trying to balance the game to perfection we should FIX the Cybran Air Factory, and balance the jester(or cybran) accordingly if it creates an issue(doubtful)

Statistics: Posted by VoiceofReason — 07 Jul 2013, 20:38

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T16:41:52+02:00

for it's like this:

Is it a bug? - no
Is Cybran UP and need to be buffed? - no
Is Cybran early air UP and need buff? - no
Is it ok that Cybran cant really go bomber first - yes, i mean they have jesters for second air, UEF bomber/air first sucks too because of the crappy bombers so get over it Cybran players

To quote V:
Different factions, different playstyles.

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 07 Jul 2013, 16:41

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T16:04:00+02:00

Faction diversity is good, however build order diversity shouldn't be sacrificed for it. The difference in engi rollout times is a really needless detail that just adds to the burden of knowledge. It really doesn't make any sense, if you think changing it would make Cybran (more) OP then suggest nerfing them in another way that makes more sense.

Statistics: Posted by Blodir — 07 Jul 2013, 16:04

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T13:27:35+02:00

Diversity is about weapons, and combat units

Diversity is in everything, even in the way you pack engineers.

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 07 Jul 2013, 13:27

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T10:23:15+02:00

This explains the entire situation in about 10 seconds. See 8:16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NHG6xs7DuA&t=8m16s

Seraphim had THE SAME ISSUE and it was adjusted in a previous patch. This issue needs to be fixed for Cybran.

It's ridiculous that the rolloff times are different at all; it should be the same all around. Economic balance cannot be taken lightly because even a small difference will multiply into a huge advantage over time.

Statistics: Posted by gnatinator — 07 Jul 2013, 10:23

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T10:06:21+02:00

As a cybran player I find their slow air fac of little practical significance, and I can list a whole argument behind that but I'll leave it at the fact that people kick plenty of ass using cybran despite that fact.

Statistics: Posted by Julia-358 — 07 Jul 2013, 10:06

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T01:27:22+02:00

Diversity is about weapons, and combat units.The penalty for an economy at start of the game , ONLY one viz-a-viz all others, is unfair.

Statistics: Posted by vongratz — 07 Jul 2013, 01:27

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T01:01:07+02:00

It just seems such a wierd thing to use t1 engie roll off times as an element on factional diversity. I still dont see what it brings to the game. Shouldnt we be aiming to keep the opening few minutes of gameplay as standardised as possible so people are encourgaed to try different tactics rather then penalizing somone on potential expansion just because they've decided to try cybran bomber first.

The fact that seraphim air factories lead the way only as a result of whats clearly an accidental overbuff is just retarded.

Statistics: Posted by Gyle — 07 Jul 2013, 01:01

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T00:33:08+02:00

i dont see a reason why Cybran should be buffed sorry

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 07 Jul 2013, 00:33

Re: Cybran Air Factory

2013-07-07T00:25:40+02:00

I agree with Tex and Astro. No reason for cybran be the only faction in disadvantage in that matter

Statistics: Posted by Joly — 07 Jul 2013, 00:25