Forged Alliance Forever

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-06T07:22:26+02:00

"Roots brain uses an ancient but stable hard drive and is only capable of storing a very limited set of builds - show some empathy you heartless bastards."
I do find your comment hilarious and I welcome humour whenever possible..
but I think that we can't be overly critical of root's weaknesses, when we have a huge chunk of the player base that has a much lower hard drive capacity to put it in your terms.
Remember: of the around 6700 people in the leaderboards only about 1600 are above 1000 and only about 400-500 above 1500. The last represent the mind and heart of FA, but a huge mind with an atrophic or non-existent body.
People we need a body, in order to do this we need to adress the thousands, and we do not only need to be but also seem welcoming and not arrogant.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 06 Jun 2013, 07:22

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-06T03:52:10+02:00

rootbeer23 wrote:
its just that the ladder is the best place to find opponents and the random map selection (from a reasonable subset of all maps) is very convenient. if i could blacklist certain torture maps that would hurt nobody.
i know my wishes are someone else's work, so take it as a suggestion.

Roots brain uses an ancient but stable hard drive and is only capable of storing a very limited set of builds - show some empathy you heartless bastards.

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 06 Jun 2013, 03:52

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-05T10:41:15+02:00

This and the smurfs is what runes the ladder matches. If you don't like the rules then don't play it. Lots of people host 1v1 custom matches.

It's a game - it has rules - without rules it's not a game. What else but the rules defines a game, any game/sport name it.

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Statistics: Posted by Cuddles — 05 Jun 2013, 10:41

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T23:40:30+02:00

As a general rule people in ladder games, usually play a lot more games than people who do not participate in 1v1 ladder. It is therefore more probable that they are so good as their rating suggests(bigger statistical sample).
Now, quitting ladder games for whatever reason does falsely lower your global rating, but this is because people do not lose points in ladder evaluation when they lose. So, they figured that to hell with their global rating, if they can be king of the hill in their own league or division.(You get those cool avatars-1st of my league or division among other things).
The biggest inaccuracy in my opinion comes from the fact that a sizable part of the community is effectively idle. You will see players with 1500ish ratings, a little lower or bigger that have no such skills but maintain these ratings because they dont actually play ranked games, or play too little or without variety to be correctly evaluated. Even so, more than 3000 players have a less than 800 global rating, but these people exactly, won't find a fair match(usually) because very few of their kind play competitively. Thus a newbie without any experience whatsoever is usually forced to play with players, that although of moderate skill, are actually very "advanced" for them. This could be extremely disheartening. A newbie with an actual skill of 0-100 may play with a player of a real skill 800-1200.
He/she would be leveled from the first minutes of the game, but they expectedly not take their defeat lightly because they do not know how the rating system works. All they see is that a player of say 1400 or 800(them) is murdered by a player of 800(actual skill). Maybe getting a global rating after a big enough number of ranked games could be a solution(say 100-200), yet difficult because the entire rating system would have to be reworked.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 04 Jun 2013, 23:40

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T20:15:12+02:00

sasin wrote:
rootbeer23 wrote:its just that the ladder is the best place to find opponents and the random map selection (from a reasonable subset of all maps) is very convenient. if i could blacklist certain torture maps that would hurt nobody.
i know my wishes are someone else's work, so take it as a suggestion.

Honestly what I do when there are specific maps I want to play is host a game and pick the map and specify the ratings I'm looking for. Why is that not viable? You can make your own "playlist" by switching through the various maps. I don't even think it would take longer...

This. -_-

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 04 Jun 2013, 20:15

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T20:12:44+02:00

rootbeer23 wrote:
its just that the ladder is the best place to find opponents and the random map selection (from a reasonable subset of all maps) is very convenient. if i could blacklist certain torture maps that would hurt nobody.
i know my wishes are someone else's work, so take it as a suggestion.

Honestly what I do when there are specific maps I want to play is host a game and pick the map and specify the ratings I'm looking for. Why is that not viable? You can make your own "playlist" by switching through the various maps. I don't even think it would take longer...

Statistics: Posted by sasin — 04 Jun 2013, 20:12

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T18:24:10+02:00

its just that the ladder is the best place to find opponents and the random map selection (from a reasonable subset of all maps) is very convenient. if i could blacklist certain torture maps that would hurt nobody.
i know my wishes are someone else's work, so take it as a suggestion.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 04 Jun 2013, 18:24

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T18:23:09+02:00

To be honest! Are you kidding me root ? every player must deal with the same maps for the whole season - trying every map, trying to be better on a crazy map as your opponent is what drives me to play 1v1. Your skill cant improve if you only play the same maps you already can win - try it! play the other maps too... People who quit more than 3 games in a row a specific map type or opponent skill rating should be BANNED from 1v1. This is my opinion.
You can see it from the other side, I hate it to be overrated if a higher skilled player don't want to play with me a specific map. Its annoying and time wasting... and I want at least a fair maybe-I-can-win-chance against a higher rating player. How would you feel if you win against voodoo for example? Glad, right? Isn't it fair to give 1000ish people a fair chance to beat you? ...
come on... play not just 50%, play 100%

Statistics: Posted by discoverer2k4 — 04 Jun 2013, 18:23

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T17:47:40+02:00

Find Games, double click on Forged Alliance Forever, choose your map, done.

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 04 Jun 2013, 17:47

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T17:46:41+02:00

rootbeer23 wrote:
well i dont want to step on anybodies toes, but i'd rather cut myself than having to play maps like emerald crater.
i dont want to cheat anybody i just would prefer if i can play the games i like against the opponents that fit my skilllevel.
is that not doable?
and where there is no gain for me, there can be no abuse.

If your really that desperate why bother searching ranked anyways? You will have to quit more than you play.... Just host a custom.

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 04 Jun 2013, 17:46

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T17:23:18+02:00

well i dont want to step on anybodies toes, but i'd rather cut myself than having to play maps like emerald crater.
i dont want to cheat anybody i just would prefer if i can play the games i like against the opponents that fit my skilllevel.
is that not doable?
and where there is no gain for me, there can be no abuse.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 04 Jun 2013, 17:23

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T17:19:38+02:00

Hascins wrote:
Why not win vs the 1000 rated and get your rating up. It wil save you more time in the end

If i got that right he's playing the 1000ish players but quits the maps he doesn't like....or did you mean "you quit the maps" AND "the 1000ish-Player games"?

And voodoo is right with the quitting.

In that case I agree with zep, a case of abuse rather than misplaced priorites. IMO

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 04 Jun 2013, 17:19

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T17:17:41+02:00

Why not win vs the 1000 rated and get your rating up. It wil save you more time in the end

If i got that right he's playing the 1000ish players but quits the maps he doesn't like....or did you mean "you quit the maps" AND "the 1000ish-Player games"?

And voodoo is right with the quitting.

Statistics: Posted by Hascins — 04 Jun 2013, 17:17

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T17:15:32+02:00

What about I'm removing me you from the matchmaker for doing that?

Statistics: Posted by Ze_PilOt — 04 Jun 2013, 17:15

Re: rating inaccuracies

2013-06-04T17:10:33+02:00

Why not win vs the 1000 rated and get your rating up. It wil save you more time in the end

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 04 Jun 2013, 17:10