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Re: Cybran TML

2013-06-07T01:40:01+02:00

prodromos wrote:
sure, nerf the cybran tml, but also nerf your pds by the same amount.
So that i can directly counter your "awesome strategies" of building firebases, instead of indirectly and costly turning your attention from your coccoons by building expensive (and expectedly more powerdul) tmls.
You guys want a free ticket to t3, to let you ecowhore peacefully untill you can build your "awesome" late stage op units.
No this must not pass, you should dread sleeping during the early stage and t1 t2 should not be a joyride.
I have seen games where a single tml (not necessarily cybran) had leveled the economy of two main bases, because the other team was too preoccupied "securing da chokepoint", wasting inordinate amounts of mass and energy putting pds under shields. If you resign from fighting, giving me the entire field in exchange of building a turtleshell, shouldn't you be punished by building more tmds and more shields?
What do ya think? Or is it too true to swallow?

Did you even read the post?

Statistics: Posted by CrayzyNath — 07 Jun 2013, 01:40

Re: Cybran TML

2013-06-07T01:19:15+02:00

sure, nerf the cybran tml, but also nerf your pds by the same amount.
So that i can directly counter your "awesome strategies" of building firebases, instead of indirectly and costly turning your attention from your coccoons by building expensive (and expectedly more powerdul) tmls.
You guys want a free ticket to t3, to let you ecowhore peacefully untill you can build your "awesome" late stage op units.
No this must not pass, you should dread sleeping during the early stage and t1 t2 should not be a joyride.
I have seen games where a single tml (not necessarily cybran) had leveled the economy of two main bases, because the other team was too preoccupied "securing da chokepoint", wasting inordinate amounts of mass and energy putting pds under shields. If you resign from fighting, giving me the entire field in exchange of building a turtleshell, shouldn't you be punished by building more tmds and more shields?
What do ya think? Or is it too true to swallow?

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 07 Jun 2013, 01:19

Re: Cybran TML

2013-06-03T03:56:51+02:00

The balance period is ONLY for things directly related to bugs with or the mechanics of 1. engy mod, and 2. Aeon balance especially at t2. That is already a lot of ground to cover, and there is no need to dump more onto this patch.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 03 Jun 2013, 03:56

Re: Cybran TML

2013-06-03T06:48:07+02:00

Just wondering why these proposed changes arent included in the 3626 balance test ?

viewforum.php?f=57

When i started a thread about it Zep closed it and told me to read the rules...

Rules only mention that the beta starts with a testing phase and that the main focus is balancing around engy mod and buffing aeon.

Maybe it will be fixed in the patch after 3626...

Statistics: Posted by noms — 03 Jun 2013, 03:53

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-11T01:48:33+02:00

Reduce the speed like in the Diamond mod-

"You would still be able to sneak shots in, it would do the same amount of damage to units and shields, but would not punish those who make TMD. It keeps all of the DPS pros and keeps cybran missiles from being 10X better than any others. I'm impartial on whether or not UEF should have to build 3 though since theirs are usually less effective than other faction when not massed."

Statistics: Posted by Ato0theJ — 11 May 2013, 01:48

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-11T01:24:56+02:00

Voodoo wrote:
calm down, we are here to discuss it

All other back to the topic please, i don't want that this thread end in a flame war.

I just wondered why i started this discussion and what I expected. I have the feeling every thread in this forum ends in a flame war...
But thats not what I want in this thread.

To the faction diversity: Why do we try to balance anything then? If everything is 'faction diversity', its perfectly balanced. But i want the old Resto back then because Aeon as a faction is supposed to have it.
Get my point? Ok.

Whining about 'OP-faction'? I reread my post and yes, with some fantasy this could be a QQ-post. But thats not the intention
The post is not about cybran being OP as a faction. Its about their TML.
I really like the split and I am against anything that would remove that feature or make it useless.
But I also think that this could need a little nerf (yes, you can nerf something without removing it or making it useless).

Maybe not in dmg. But the speed of the children-missles so that they could still deal their dmg vs shields but aren't so overly effective against their counter.

Statistics: Posted by CrayzyNath — 11 May 2013, 01:24

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-10T23:43:20+02:00

Helcaraxe wrote:
Btw, is there anyone online who's not a fully paid-up member of the Cybran lobby? I'm starting to feel outnumbered here

I'm with you

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 10 May 2013, 23:43

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-10T23:41:38+02:00

eXivo wrote:
so you're complaining about OP factions? go complain about uef then

No complaints, only observations. Such as how strange it is that an OP faction can't muster a highest win ratio on even 1 of the 21 ladder maps.

eXivo wrote:
also, things shouldn't get nerfed because someone was not competent enough to counter it

No argument there. But another observation - surely a unit whose sole purpose is to counter one other ought to be able to do so 1v1?

Btw, is there anyone online who's not a fully paid-up member of the Cybran lobby? I'm starting to feel outnumbered here

Statistics: Posted by Helcaraxe — 10 May 2013, 23:41

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-10T23:37:42+02:00

eXivo wrote:
so you're complaining about OP factions?
go complain about uef then, lots of stuff there
at least cybrans actually have some weaknesses

also, things shouldn't get nerfed because someone was not competent enough to counter it, otherwise we'll end up nerfing aa cause someone thought it was a good idea to patrol air over it

calm down, we are here to discuss it

All other back to the topic please, i don't want that this thread end in a flame war.

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 10 May 2013, 23:37

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-10T23:14:34+02:00

so you're complaining about OP factions?
go complain about uef then, lots of stuff there
at least cybrans actually have some weaknesses

also, things shouldn't get nerfed because someone was not competent enough to counter it, otherwise we'll end up nerfing aa cause someone thought it was a good idea to patrol air over it

Statistics: Posted by eXivo — 10 May 2013, 23:14

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-10T23:13:26+02:00

Could be coincidence that the best players just happen to prefer Cybran?

Statistics: Posted by RK4000 — 10 May 2013, 23:13

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-10T23:07:21+02:00

Indeed. Still, with the effect of all those buffs being so negligable, it's difficult to explain why Cybran are now by some distance the most played faction in ranked, with the highest win ratio on 11 of the maps, and the second highest in 7 of the remaining 10. Perhaps their luck has suddenly changed?

Statistics: Posted by Helcaraxe — 10 May 2013, 23:07

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-10T22:44:20+02:00

Oh no, my bad, +10. Still not worth a damn most of the time.

Statistics: Posted by RK4000 — 10 May 2013, 22:44

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-10T22:36:19+02:00

RK4000 wrote:
The mantis got a +5 turret turn speed... Oh the horror!!

+10, in fact. And as for horror, mine isn't the post with multiple caps and extraneous punctuation

Bottom line: the list of Cybran weaknesses is fast diminishing. I merely note with interest the reaction to a single suggested nerf.

Statistics: Posted by Helcaraxe — 10 May 2013, 22:36

Re: Cybran TML

2013-05-10T22:25:29+02:00

Helcaraxe wrote:
TAG_ROCK wrote:Cybran has to deal with loads of other things

I think you mean had. How's that extra ACU regen working out for you? The buffed Medusa? The buffed Mantis?

The extra ACU regen doesn't help remove the fact that as soon as the other ACU gets a veterancy bonus, even if the Cybran one does too, the diffrence in HP is even greater again.

The medusa is just fine, its DPS and accuracy are a joke compared to the Lobo or the Fobo. (and it doesn't float either )

The mantis got a +5 turret turn speed... Oh the horror!!

Statistics: Posted by RK4000 — 10 May 2013, 22:25