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Re: Czar

2013-05-02T10:10:07+02:00

Sounds awesome to me

Statistics: Posted by Cuddles — 02 May 2013, 10:10

Re: Czar

2013-05-02T09:43:46+02:00

ShadowKnight wrote:
Also, it only has 3500 DPS, and ASFs have a lot of HP, how can it kill them all in a split second?

ASFs have less than 2000 HP, so they get killed almost instantly when they're under the beam. The beam also has an aera of effect so when it hits a plane, all planes that are near get hit and killed as well. In fact, the beam the becomes a giant lazer flak AA gun.

On lowering the height of the CZAR: when it crashes, it will have less time to topple over and go into the ground vertically. You'll have an even larger area of effect crash, which is a bad thing.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 02 May 2013, 09:43

Re: Czar

2013-05-02T09:02:02+02:00

huhu did you even read what i wrote?
MICRO counters micro!

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 02 May 2013, 09:02

Re: Czar

2013-05-02T06:27:41+02:00

The fact that you can kill ASF with the beam makes the Czar borderline useful, nothing more. If it wouldn't be possible it would be useless. A Soulripper already is VASTLY superior for attacking ground units and so is a Seraphim T4 bomber, the only strength of a Czar that is worth mentioning is the ability to kill a lot of (unmicroed) ASF and to make micro harder for the enemy in an air battle (only worth it if you got tons of mass you can't put into ASF).

Some people use it also for the crash damage, but you can get 20 strats for less mass... those are way better for sniping anything and they don't leave as much easy to reclaim mass behind.

Oh yeah, in ultra late on a land map it might be nice as an air staging facility...

Statistics: Posted by SC-Account — 02 May 2013, 06:27

Re: Czar

2013-05-02T01:36:16+02:00

Don't forget to micro your ASF away from the flak cannons as well. CZAR has the strongest flak in the game on the sides. Attack from the front and the rear(easy to see when it moves) where there are no flak turrets so you only take missile damage which would hit anyway. Or just spam restorers.

Statistics: Posted by Icy — 02 May 2013, 01:36

Re: Czar

2013-05-02T01:31:29+02:00

The ASF slow down as they pass in an attempt to match speeds. Watch them when they chase a bomber... They stay behind the target. ASF Can't dead stop in flight though so they end up going through and circling. The slow down is enough though to put them in the beam for .5 seconds, which is a kill. If you have a vet, or are really lucky with no vet, the CZAR will vet to 5 almost instantly when the 100 ASF die and the boost is enough to survive.

Personally, I think this is a pretty cool mechanism. The majority of people know about it, so a little care in your first pass = dead CZAR no problem. If we try and fix every little thing like this I think it will take away a lot of the character in this game

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 02 May 2013, 01:31

Re: Czar

2013-05-01T22:18:16+02:00

Nobody has an issue with the whole 'Fly through beam = dead' thing, the issue is with the fact that if you simply attack the czar, the planes all fly directly through the middle of the Czar, which is fucking stupid AI behavior.

This can be easily fixed by moving the Czar's targeting bone from the centre to having say four, further out around the rim.

Also, it only has 3500 DPS, and ASFs have a lot of HP, how can it kill them all in a split second?

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 01 May 2013, 22:18

Re: Czar

2013-05-01T21:45:42+02:00

Mycen wrote:
Umm... Can't we just not fly the ASFs under the CZAR? It seems like a little micro would fix this 'problem.'

Yes and no.... ASFs will fly under a CZAR when attacking it and will attack it automatically if it gets within their radius.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 01 May 2013, 21:45

Re: Czar

2013-05-01T21:18:01+02:00

Tango_X wrote:
Don't you defeat it by flying into the beam? Maybe I'm mixing it up with something else.

That's only if you're Randy Quaid in Independence Day, lol.

Really though, won't 100 ASFs destroy a CZAR on the first pass? I don't know how a person could manage to fly them all under the beam in the first place...

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 01 May 2013, 21:18

Re: Czar

2013-05-01T20:46:15+02:00

To the guy setting his Czar on ground fire and killing a bunch of ASF that fly under the beam, I say good job. You have succeeded at a neat tactic and have your well earned reward of a bunch of dead enemy ASF.

Statistics: Posted by Pathogenic — 01 May 2013, 20:46

Re: Czar

2013-05-01T20:31:49+02:00

you just have to micro your ASF like against other ASF, not atack or atack move but flying in circles and not into the beam

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 01 May 2013, 20:31

Re: Czar

2013-05-01T20:30:01+02:00

Don't you defeat it by flying into the beam? Maybe I'm mixing it up with something else.

Statistics: Posted by Tango_X — 01 May 2013, 20:30

Re: Czar

2013-05-01T20:29:33+02:00

Yeh what do people expect when they fly their planes through a giant lazzzer

Statistics: Posted by Taffy — 01 May 2013, 20:29

Re: Czar

2013-05-01T20:24:04+02:00

Umm... Can't we just not fly the ASFs under the CZAR? It seems like a little micro would fix this 'problem.'

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 01 May 2013, 20:24

Re: Czar

2013-05-01T19:32:58+02:00

If ASF fly higher, they will become unhittable by anything but SAM.

After a quick test, it appears that reducing elevation to 18 is not enough, ASF will still fly inside the Czar and into the beam. Reducing elevation further will indeed make the Czar very vulnerable to flak, and it will also not look good.

So it's not easy to fix this issue after all

Statistics: Posted by pip — 01 May 2013, 19:32