Forged Alliance Forever

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-23T04:34:36+02:00

I think kennels are underrated they can build and assist anywhere, more expensive but try building stuff with 30 engineers then do the same with equal bp in drones. Engineers will bump and move into each other for like 10-20 seconds on every single building, drones will just build and build. It's even worse if you try moving engineers from air factory to naval or land factory.

The time saved and lack of pathing issues is well worth the added cost especially if you need a row of ravagers/sams quickly to stop a T4.

Statistics: Posted by Rocksteady — 23 Apr 2013, 04:34

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-23T04:15:17+02:00

If I am not mistaken the t1 engy from any faction is still the best buildpower/mass by a hair... with that standard set, that t1 engy is the base line, UEF and Cyb can spam drones and hives for consolidated build power, and Aeon and Sera can help their unit cap by spamming t3 engies. Makes sense to me.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 23 Apr 2013, 04:15

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-22T23:08:04+02:00

Mycen wrote:
Zock wrote:We buffed aeon and sera t3 engies more then the others to compensate.

Wait, what? How do the engineering stations provide a factional advantage then? It doesn't seem to make sense to give UEF and Cybrans worse engineers because they have engineering stations.

Agreed, what's up with that?

Statistics: Posted by Wakke — 22 Apr 2013, 23:08

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-22T21:26:45+02:00

Zock wrote:
We buffed aeon and sera t3 engies more then the others to compensate.

Wait, what? How do the engineering stations provide a factional advantage then? It doesn't seem to make sense to give UEF and Cybrans worse engineers because they have engineering stations.

Statistics: Posted by Mycen — 22 Apr 2013, 21:26

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-22T18:58:36+02:00

Rein, Sparky doesn't have stealth, it has jamming. It got a little buff when it became able to build and shoot at the same time

Statistics: Posted by Patton — 22 Apr 2013, 18:58

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-22T01:58:03+02:00

Yes, they have 17.5 buildrate now. Their stealth and speed should make the worthwhile

Statistics: Posted by Rienzilla — 22 Apr 2013, 01:58

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-22T01:36:24+02:00

Zock wrote:
We buffed aeon and sera t3 engies more then the others to compensate.

As i could test only 1v1, i don't really know how good this t3 engys and engystations are balanced now. So i'm awaiting test results.

Did you guys buff the UEF Field Engineers?
I'd love to see those guy get some action.

The concept is great but they just aren't an efficient use of resources, especially if T2 engies get buffed way above them.

Statistics: Posted by brent_w — 22 Apr 2013, 01:36

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-20T12:26:17+02:00

We buffed aeon and sera t3 engies more then the others to compensate.

As i could test only 1v1, i don't really know how good this t3 engys and engystations are balanced now. So i'm awaiting test results.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 20 Apr 2013, 12:26

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-20T12:18:48+02:00

Dont buff these stations too much because Aeon and Sera would struggle then.

Statistics: Posted by IronTony — 20 Apr 2013, 12:18

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-20T12:02:09+02:00

My drones will re-sporn, my shield will re-generate... your asf will die to aoe SAMs

Statistics: Posted by AwarE — 20 Apr 2013, 12:02

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-20T10:40:30+02:00

They also instantly cause all your shields to die if a group of ASF fly over. There are pro's and cons to every unit, and the drones are no exception.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 20 Apr 2013, 10:40

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-20T10:37:27+02:00

drones can pick up mass anywhere fast and can repair shields fast ...try it ... you will be amazed

Statistics: Posted by AwarE — 20 Apr 2013, 10:37

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-20T10:32:36+02:00

Aware, this is simply not true... t1 engies are 10 mass per build power and the drones are almost 28 mass per build power. So basically in current balance you are paying 3x as much for the same build power with drones over engies.

I know that the engy mod changes those values quite a bit, but drones and hives will always be less efficient than engies.

Statistics: Posted by BRNKoINSANITY — 20 Apr 2013, 10:32

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-20T10:03:20+02:00

If you are UEF and you don't build mass kennels you are ignoring your best economy units.

Statistics: Posted by AwarE — 20 Apr 2013, 10:03

Re: Why are hives and kennels no alternative to engy redesig

2013-04-19T21:51:07+02:00

Kennels and hive still probably need to be 5-10% less efficient in costs to engineers because they are faster and have a bigger range then regular engineers, just so they aren't op compared to t2 and t3 engineers in aeon and seraphim.

Statistics: Posted by Supreme321 — 19 Apr 2013, 21:51