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Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-09T22:53:10+02:00

Also, ping doesn't drive the game. I've been feeling under the weather, but when I start feeling better, I'll make it so that spikes will be seen relatively easily, in that the background field will light up like a traffic light on steroids, such that the color will shift from green to red and back pretty noticeably. FA doesn't care about stable pings slightly below 500 (the game polls for updates every 500ms), but some people who think that these kinds of pings are bad do care, and they're wrong.

Statistics: Posted by Vicarian — 09 May 2013, 22:53

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-09T12:21:05+02:00

HEAVY wrote:
Nombringer wrote:Why do we need ping back?

A system to show spikes should be simole to implement I think (just have the ping hidden, and have a warning indicator if its spiking)

Nom, you're making my point. The burden of proof for feature removal is on the folks wanting it removed proving that it's a problem, not on the people that use the feature as to why it should stay. You don't remove a car's steering wheel and then ask the driver why he wants it back. I already explained why displaying ping is valuable to me. Where are the few voices here that got kicked from having ping visible? Where is their information showing this is a common problem? I don't remember seeing it happen in 6 years of playing this game -- but I find use in ping every day!!

Everything is a "simple matter of programming" - in effect you are creating work for little real world value. Remove a feature and then jump through hoops to incompletely provide it's original functionality. What a waste of time. Just color the ping red / green / yellow if it's in a certain range and you'll get rid of the kicking problem if it exists.

Please bring ping back!!

So why do we need ping? Sorry, this entire post does not reflect why we need ping. A driver needs his steering wheel in order to steer the car. That much is obvious.

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 09 May 2013, 12:21

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-09T03:01:29+02:00

Nombringer wrote:
Why do we need ping back?

A system to show spikes should be simole to implement I think (just have the ping hidden, and have a warning indicator if its spiking)

Nom, you're making my point. The burden of proof for feature removal is on the folks wanting it removed proving that it's a problem, not on the people that use the feature as to why it should stay. You don't remove a car's steering wheel and then ask the driver why he wants it back. I already explained why displaying ping is valuable to me. Where are the few voices here that got kicked from having ping visible? Where is their information showing this is a common problem? I don't remember seeing it happen in 6 years of playing this game -- but I find use in ping every day!!

Everything is a "simple matter of programming" - in effect you are creating work for little real world value. Remove a feature and then jump through hoops to incompletely provide it's original functionality. What a waste of time. Just color the ping red / green / yellow if it's in a certain range and you'll get rid of the kicking problem if it exists.

Please bring ping back!!

Statistics: Posted by HEAVY — 09 May 2013, 03:01

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-08T11:50:09+02:00

I'll make it red for 0, nil, or > 500.

No! There is a difference between nil and ping > 500, and i want to see it. You should display NIL and 0 ping just as before.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 08 May 2013, 11:50

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-08T07:04:35+02:00

HEAVY wrote:
Vicarian, I appreciate your work in general, but you are taking extra effort to *remove* a feature and jump through hoops to communicate the information the feature did in the first place (but less, because we lose the transient spikes component).

Why? Is there no other feature more deserving of your time?

There is no evidence that ANZ people being kicked is common/pervasive enough to merit this. Never mind that removal of ping will still not solve the problem (let's remove flags too!)

The improvements you're trying to make are good and we should keep them, just please bring ping back!!

Why do we need ping back?

A system to show spikes should be simole to implement I think (just have the ping hidden, and have a warning indicator if its spiking)

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 08 May 2013, 07:04

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-08T05:43:45+02:00

Well, when the guy who runs FAF tells you to do something, you kind of do it. Pilot requested the change and it was completed, just in a temporary state.

Statistics: Posted by Vicarian — 08 May 2013, 05:43

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-08T02:28:08+02:00

Vicarian, I appreciate your work in general, but you are taking extra effort to *remove* a feature and jump through hoops to communicate the information the feature did in the first place (but less, because we lose the transient spikes component).

Why? Is there no other feature more deserving of your time?

There is no evidence that ANZ people being kicked is common/pervasive enough to merit this. Never mind that removal of ping will still not solve the problem (let's remove flags too!)

The improvements you're trying to make are good and we should keep them, just please bring ping back!!

Statistics: Posted by HEAVY — 08 May 2013, 02:28

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-03T22:18:46+02:00

Yeah, the bar currently turns red at 0 or nil ping, with yellow being over 500... When I get around to it, I'll rework the bar into a field or background color for the ping column, and make it green for all pings not nil and above 0, but below 500. I'll make it red for 0, nil, or > 500.

Statistics: Posted by Vicarian — 03 May 2013, 22:18

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-03T13:36:21+02:00

isnt a 0 or nil equal to red color? and over 500 is yellow?
youd still see whos connected

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 03 May 2013, 13:36

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-03T09:36:11+02:00

Bring back the ping, pleeeeease?

Now we can't see if some players aren't connected until we try to launch. Not the end of the world, but surely a step backwards.

Statistics: Posted by Kof — 03 May 2013, 09:36

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-03T07:12:17+02:00

Don't.
Remove the flag as well (good point there).

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 03 May 2013, 07:12

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-05-03T03:13:26+02:00

sandyiru5 wrote:
It is obvious that this change needs to be implemented.
I completely gave up trying team games because of ignorant ping nazis.

Is it obvious? What is the % of games and players actually affected by ping nazis? How many of those idiots will still kick when they see the ANZ flag anyway?

Yes, ping reflects latency and not connectivity -- but it's still useful to know latency. I've seen (sometimes big) swings in latency in the lobby too, and that's an indicator of connection stability.

You are arguing for removing functionality that people (including me) like and find useful. Removing features has a high bar of acceptance, and a few loud posts in the forum does not qualify!

Unfortunately, it looks like someone made the change and dropped ping information from the lobby . The right way to fix this problem was to provide additional information about connection quality, maybe the color of the ping. That gives some ammo to tell the alleged army of ping nazis the connection is fine if it's green and the number below 500.

Please bring ping back.

Statistics: Posted by HEAVY — 03 May 2013, 03:13

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-04-29T10:45:25+02:00

Navras wrote:
I also get kicked cause of ping probably half the time I try to join a game. NZer here

Huh really? nz here as well and normally people are pretty decent after I explain. What sort of level/games are you playing?

Statistics: Posted by Nombringer — 29 Apr 2013, 10:45

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-04-29T07:54:22+02:00

I also get kicked cause of ping probably half the time I try to join a game. NZer here

Statistics: Posted by Navras — 29 Apr 2013, 07:54

Re: Do we really need to know player ping when it doesnt mat

2013-04-27T17:29:11+02:00

It is obvious that this change needs to be implemented. Whatever system has been set up it's near to perfect - by this I mean that every single time the ping has been green colour (whatever the number) the game has been fine. And every single time it has been yellow the game has lagged. So it seems to me that the colour is all that matters.

I completely gave up trying team games because of ignorant ping nazis.

Statistics: Posted by Aussie Bob — 27 Apr 2013, 17:29