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Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-04T08:47:32+02:00

This is true for a handful and even up to 50 or so of the experimental units, but I am referring to the low tech battles where we see hundreds of units in play. Now these higher poly organic units (compared to the mechanized blocky shapes we have now) in great numbers are going to cause a performance drop. That is if we want to maintain big battles as we see now.

Just try it on your own machine. Spawn 500 T1 units and issue a move command. Do the same for T2, T3, and experimentals (removing the previous tech of course). When it comes to the experimentals, do not issue any move command. Just zoom in and out and pan the camera. Notice how frames drop just by doing this.

Statistics: Posted by The Mak — 04 Dec 2013, 08:47

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-04T00:52:02+02:00

Polycount isn't really a factor in supcom, none of the existing units come close. I think the BO Basilisk has 25,000 Polies or something stupid (Fatboy has 4500 odd) and that didn't hit the limit.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 04 Dec 2013, 00:52

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-04T00:33:43+02:00

Golol wrote:
i dont think it would be possible to relize in the engine at all anyways.
i dont feel like the engine is built for that. there arent any meele weapons at all.

The feet of the Colossus, Chicken Bot, Monkeylord, and Megalith are melee, but you cannot directly command it to squish. You may just need to setup a dummy weapon with a really short range and some damage then have an animation for some extremity to move back and forth at the same rate as the dummy weapon rate of fire. We already have the animation when a weapon fires, such as the Cybran T2 Turret. Every time it fires a projectile the cannons push back.

I think the real problem will be making the models look organic with a poly count similar to the current units. You will need more curves and that can add up in the modeling.

Statistics: Posted by The Mak — 04 Dec 2013, 00:33

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-03T21:31:13+02:00

Golol wrote:
i dont think it would be possible to relize in the engine at all anyways.
i dont feel like the engine is built for that. there arent any meele weapons at all.

Actually shouldn't it be possible to take a ranged weapon and make it range 0.1-0.5 (or just 1)? technically speaking it should be possible I think.

A tyranid/zerg race was already something I was thinking about with a friend. We already messed around with some stats and ideas. Although I have no experience programming, certainly not in supcom.

@gerfand
Actually in multiple sci-fi there are races that use a form of "bio-technology". Also, Carbon can be found in very powerful forms (not that they have to be carbon based of course but it serves as an example) Metals should be no problem either if they are a highly evolved race (of course it's still sci-fi so it can be exaggerated from our current perspective). Missiles can be easily imagined as organisms and guns can use acid or heat.
Enough options for our organic race to beat the chips out of robots.

Statistics: Posted by Khellendross — 03 Dec 2013, 21:31

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-03T19:27:06+02:00

i dont think it would be possible to relize in the engine at all anyways.
i dont feel like the engine is built for that. there arent any meele weapons at all.

Statistics: Posted by Golol — 03 Dec 2013, 19:27

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-03T19:24:28+02:00

Nihkaeda07 wrote:
The next race implemented after Nomads should be an organic race like those Tyranids or the Zerg : D
That'd be kinda cool, perhaps attracting more people into our community : )

Sci-fi FTW
-Nihk

Nothing against you,or zerg/tyranids, but think
A lot of Robots, that are replaced every second, w/ laser, cannons, Missiles, Rockets, Ghueto Gunships... against some pathetic insects... I don't think that they will survive...

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 03 Dec 2013, 19:24

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-03T18:58:24+02:00

ColonelSheppard wrote:
sry but

Atlantis > everything

Srry But

BSG > everything

Statistics: Posted by Gyle — 03 Dec 2013, 18:58

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-03T18:20:30+02:00

The next race implemented after Nomads should be an organic race like those Tyranids or the Zerg : D
That'd be kinda cool, perhaps attracting more people into our community : )

Sci-fi FTW
-Nihk

Statistics: Posted by Nihkaeda07 — 03 Dec 2013, 18:20

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-03T09:21:37+02:00

The thing to remember is that most of the sci-fi talked about here are games. Am I to assume that in the real world tanks and people have hitpoints? Of course not the things in these game that maybe don't make sense in a real world setting are there for game balance. Lets not confuse such things with how they would operate in real life.

Statistics: Posted by Reaper Zwei — 03 Dec 2013, 09:21

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-03T02:04:58+02:00

How a SC2 BattleCruiser can be SOO POWERFULL, whe a bunch of Marines(Inf that lose for labs even in Big numbers) can kill it...
EDIT* kill it shooting in the Hull!

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 03 Dec 2013, 02:04

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-03T01:00:17+02:00

Rocksteady wrote:
Starcraft to scale http://i2.minus.com/idKJOHIciRf0E.jpg

Check this video @ 1:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHwer7oOJsc that's just the front of a battle cruiser. Based on missions and other cinematic's the average Terran fleet has a few dozen of them and there's several space stations that have dozens more docked.

Yamato cannon could easily one shot any ACU/Experimental/entire base.

Science Vessel can EMP enemy air units, shield friendly aircraft and repair friendly aircraft.
Raven has AoE and Point Defenses that hard counter missile/projectile attacks.
Valkyrie is designed specifically to kill groups of aircraft with its AoE rockets.
Wraiths and Banshee's can cloak and go kill air factories supported by ghosts who can EMP/Nuke bases. If that's not enough there's several thousand vikings providing air superiority.

Also keep in mind, Terran strength has never been seen in Starcraft properly, all we have seen so far are small Terran Colonies out in space controlled by mercenaries and tyrants like mengsk and Raynor. Earth sent a single fleet in Starcraft 1 that wiped out most of the Zerg , Protoss and Terran in just a few weeks. If Earth sent it's entire Terran Empire to the sector it would have been a complete steam roll and could just as easily stomp the Sup com universe. Just make a fleet of 500 battle cruisers and warp from planet to planet yamatoing the crap out of everything.

A battlecruiser may be an awesome destroyer of worlds in the starcraft universe. But , it doesn't feel this way unfortunately.
It works like an armored balloon and doesn't really convince anyone.
SupCom on the other hand speaks of grand scales but makes a decent try to convince you about it in the game.
In starcraft units are represented symbolically, and you have to imagine their capabilities.

Statistics: Posted by prodromos — 03 Dec 2013, 01:00

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-02T22:50:24+02:00

im quite sure that t3 air IS spacecraft, i think its in the vanilla campaign somewhere, (i think the commander flies in in a strat)
and in the loading movie for fa, we see a cybran ship being killed by a ythotha, showing that there is a space presence in supcom, as well as space-quantum gateways, shaped conveniently for ships to pass through, (and just space ships dotted around the cinematics)

as well as the lore, when the uef orbitally bombarded a seraphim planet, starting the war (ironic?).
lets also not forget that there is magic and stuff in supcom too, such as 'the way', and the rift closing mysteriously after burke goes through it...
oh, and black sun : P

so i think supcom wins here...

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 02 Dec 2013, 22:50

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-02T21:52:59+02:00

Gorton wrote:
I think we need to go back a bit and realise that Supreme Commander operates on the fact that conventional space navies are useless against gating ACUs to planets and within minutes overunning positions.
It's pointless because of the very nature of the warfare they can accomplish.
Also, the units in supreme commander are all made to be cost efficient for their purpose as much as possible. I see no reason why they can't build ships in space with the insane tech at their disposal apart from there's no need.
Knowing this, I can't see how they'd lose. Losing planets means nothing to any race in supreme commander. As long as one acu survives it can rebuild the armies wherever it goes - I think this would not be possible to stop.

well said.
i totally agree.

the only way to counter the ACU tactic is to have perfect control over all your territory at every time. if this is not the case, an ACU (= 1 man) can always sneek in, build an army within yours and overrun your forces in the area.

the only disadvantage of this technique is the need for well educated and intelligent commanders...

Statistics: Posted by eXcalibur — 02 Dec 2013, 21:52

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-02T15:29:36+02:00

I think we need to go back a bit and realise that Supreme Commander operates on the fact that conventional space navies are useless against gating ACUs to planets and within minutes overunning positions.
It's pointless because of the very nature of the warfare they can accomplish.
Also, the units in supreme commander are all made to be cost efficient for their purpose as much as possible. I see no reason why they can't build ships in space with the insane tech at their disposal apart from there's no need.
Knowing this, I can't see how they'd lose. Losing planets means nothing to any race in supreme commander. As long as one acu survives it can rebuild the armies wherever it goes - I think this would not be possible to stop.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 02 Dec 2013, 15:29

Re: Supreme Commander Universe > All other sci-fi

2013-12-02T14:47:47+02:00

Rocksteady wrote:
Star Wars does not control the sky, not even close. Terrans or The Asguards (from Stargate) would mop the floor with any Star Wars fleet.

And the Eclipse, Soverigen, Galaxy gun, DS-1, DS-2, center-point station... and the no superweapons Torpedo Sphere.

Statistics: Posted by Gerfand — 02 Dec 2013, 14:47