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Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-20T17:40:20+02:00

Poch wrote:
Pathogenic wrote:But then if that were the case, why should T1 engineers be allowed to participate in construction of a T2 or higher structure, hmm?

+1000

I wish there is an option or a mod to limit/prevent engies from assisting buildings or uptech engies. Just to see how it would look like.

http://forums.gaspowered.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62244

Statistics: Posted by Veta — 20 Mar 2013, 17:40

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-20T10:09:36+02:00

I only said it's more plausible. Not that it is the solution.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 20 Mar 2013, 10:09

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-20T01:15:39+02:00

Pathogenic wrote:
But then if that were the case, why should T1 engineers be allowed to participate in construction of a T2 or higher structure, hmm?

+1000

I wish there is an option or a mod to limit/prevent engies from assisting buildings or uptech engies. Just to see how it would look like.

Statistics: Posted by Poch — 20 Mar 2013, 01:15

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T23:30:53+02:00

Plasma_Wolf wrote:
On the blueprint thing. It would be ridiculous to say that a T2 building (or even the T1 radar) cannot be built because you haven't spent 800 mass on the T2 engineering suite yet, in order to download T1radar.pdf.

It's more plausible to say that the more advanced buildings require a more powerful (read better build power) laser. Then you're done.

In the end, the T1 buildings that are missing from the base ACU are just not in because of some balance/gameplay things. It is not consistent with the story, nor will if ever be if you continue asking the how and why (not that you should just stop right here though).

But then if that were the case, why should T1 engineers be allowed to participate in construction of a T2 or higher structure, hmm?

Statistics: Posted by Pathogenic — 19 Mar 2013, 23:30

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T23:31:37+02:00

Sometimes I wish there was a mod where T1 land factories are capable of producing all T1-T3 land, T1 air factories could make T1-T3 units, same for navy etc, and a lowly T1 engineer is capable of starting construction on any and all structures and experimentals. The only purpose for upgrading factories would be to increase their build power to make them more efficient than T1 engie spam for producing large numbers of units. So from pretty much the very start of the game, all units would be possible. I'm not convinced that such a change to gameplay would make the game any less fun. It could lead to a lot more variety early game with regard to tactics.

Statistics: Posted by Pathogenic — 19 Mar 2013, 23:29

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T23:16:30+02:00

On the blueprint thing. It would be ridiculous to say that a T2 building (or even the T1 radar) cannot be built because you haven't spent 800 mass on the T2 engineering suite yet, in order to download T1radar.pdf.

It's more plausible to say that the more advanced buildings require a more powerful (read better build power) laser. Then you're done.

In the end, the T1 buildings that are missing from the base ACU are just not in because of some balance/gameplay things. It is not consistent with the story, nor will if ever be if you continue asking the how and why (not that you should just stop right here though).

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 19 Mar 2013, 23:16

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T21:56:41+02:00

I am interested in seeing how the issue of planetary invasions is addressed in the upcoming Galactic War. Will defenders be able to place PD and structures for free at the very start of the game, for instance? I've speculated quite a bit about how it might end up working in some other threads, which have not been definitively answered.

Statistics: Posted by Pathogenic — 19 Mar 2013, 21:56

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T21:01:01+02:00

answer should be in total annihilation and fa : unless you have a seraphim space gate , you can dream about sending armies

second : the war was so fast paced that everything enters a chaotic state :
things who are built are destroyed and so on .

for humans ? well jack the zipper novels ( total annihilation ) written by a fan , explains the difference betwen core and arm .

ones are machine , easy to replicate , with specifically modified code ( core prime was the data center where fully encoded minds where stocked , while arm used other datasheets , stocked into dna patterns that they will replicate on the field and creating armies )

this is why a commander will be able to deploy any army , for cybrans , code , for aeons and uef , dna .

Why wouldnt they cover the planet with pd ? Because commanders are not stupid , if you cover all the planet with metal , someone will teleport somewhere on the map , reclaim all of these and have fun with your planet .

Statistics: Posted by skakarn — 19 Mar 2013, 21:01

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T19:56:44+02:00

rootbeer23 wrote:
problem remains: the energy required to produce 1 gram of mass is on the order of magnitude of 1 small atomic bomb.

With 21st century understanding of mass and energy. With 37th century understanding, maybe not so much.

And that's not hyperbole, consider modern technology and understanding of space and time to the technology and scientific knowledge of the 5th century around the fall of the Roman Empire.

Yes, you can argue, oh but there are thoroughly proven laws and theories but you only see so little of the picture right now.

Statistics: Posted by Badsearcher — 19 Mar 2013, 19:56

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T19:51:28+02:00

problem remains: the energy required to produce 1 gram of mass is on the order of magnitude of 1 small atomic bomb.

the acu produces +1mass and can construct a 50 ton tank in one minute.

ignoring the fact that it creates waste heat on the order of several kilotons tnt per second, when the energy storages are full.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 19 Mar 2013, 19:51

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T19:41:09+02:00

Maybe they do.

Maybe a lot of the ACU's machinery relies on that black hole somehow and containing it and preventing it from getting bigger uncontrollably. Perhaps the death explosion is a result of that containment vessel getting broken and the black hole suddenly taking on a lot of mass and then imploding before exploding.

Uhh... QUANTUM SCIENCE!

Statistics: Posted by Badsearcher — 19 Mar 2013, 19:41

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T19:25:46+02:00

Badsearcher wrote:
QUANTUM SCIENCE! That's how.

entirely possible if you have a black hole in the chassis.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 19 Mar 2013, 19:25

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T19:23:17+02:00

Pathogenic wrote:
Don't try to justify the game's numerous glaring logical inconsistencies. Trying to do so will only make your head explode.

Just relax and play an entirely implausible yet enjoyable game.

I think some of the logical inconsistencies are mainly for gameplay benefit. For instance, mass deposits being depicted as infinite, this is obviously just a game design decision made so that people don't have to be bothering with that form of scarcity.

Although, I speculate that maybe gpg considered finite mass deposits which is why they gave the game mass fabricators.

As for, 'how does an acu generate mass and energy out of thin air?' QUANTUM SCIENCE! That's how.

Statistics: Posted by Badsearcher — 19 Mar 2013, 19:23

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T19:38:43+02:00

Ze_PilOt wrote:
That's why FA is greater than Starcraft 2.

People in SC2 doesn't care how a mechmarine is supposed to fit in a battlecruiser :

A perspective effect to make them fit the image ? (they could be closer to the camera) Then why the shadow has the same size and direction ?

Or even how a barrack can contains so many marines with that size, and where they came from in the first place.
Or why they need depots to exists.
Or why they have unlimited amno, but limited clips.

And they find the lore really great.

Or why a civilization a 1000+ years from now wastes expensive and costly (especially in time) sentient life as soldiers when it would be vastly more efficient to fight with robots with 1 human coordinator for every 100 to 1000 robots or so.

Statistics: Posted by Badsearcher — 19 Mar 2013, 19:20

Re: Canon: How is invasion even possible?

2013-03-19T19:08:20+02:00

rootbeer23 wrote:
its not possible to construct a t1 engineer that has more blueprints than the commander without the commander having the blueprints too. that information cannot just come from nowhere.

Ok guys, I've heard the minimal amount of blueprints theory before and though it's safe to say that it probably takes multiple petabytes of data to contain all of the information necessary for nanomachines to construct a tank or building, I think that the ACU has to have all of the data only it can't utilize it with the minimal engineering suite that it is gated with.

And I say that every blueprint is multiple petabytes, if not more, because you are not just giving simple dimensions and things like that but highly precise information on just where every molecule goes, how many neutonmeters of tension different seals are under, that sort of thing.

Statistics: Posted by Badsearcher — 19 Mar 2013, 19:08