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Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-11T16:29:00+02:00

Try some 1v1 on maps with space.

Burial Mounds, Setons, Concord Lake, White Fire etc etc

Ladder just doesn't have the variety.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 11 Mar 2013, 16:29

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-11T14:43:20+02:00

Recently I have been trying to slow things down and think more often rather than just mindlessly microing things and it seems to have paid off. The micro in this game is just constant.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 11 Mar 2013, 14:43

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-11T14:04:45+02:00

As far as dealing with engineers, my method (which is not the way the pros do it but which does afford me more thinking time), is as follows:

Map-dependent, I normally have one or more factories set on repeat build engies.

Often after I've been focussing elsewhere my engies idle button has a large number on it. Unless I've got some specific plan for them, I quickly set each of them on a random attack move, getting them reclaiming and therefore being useful.

This only takes a few seconds to do even with a large number of engies, and whilst it's nowhere near as efficient as it could be, it's a nice compromise that works well at a medium level.

Statistics: Posted by Eukanuba — 11 Mar 2013, 14:04

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-11T03:45:04+02:00

Practice basically. Also depends on the map type. On big team game maps like setons you can afford to take it ( Slightly ) slow since you generally have teammates to help out. And most of the time people are amassing stuff for a big push or focusing on eco.

Smaller maps have a more blitzkrieg play style and ( imo ) way more micro cause you are harassing, making new things , reclaiming at the same time.

Admittedly on smaller maps i burn myself out, i go through the motions for my starting build and what not and i utterly wank myself late game cause im not sure what to do lol.

Practice helps.

Statistics: Posted by asdfmovie — 11 Mar 2013, 03:45

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-05T16:06:44+02:00

Flynn wrote:
So how does one divide ones attention effectively and still give orders to engineers and factories?

give less commands to engineers and factories.

but you can try and give them more useful commands in the time that you have and also give them longer build queues while you have to time for it.

and you can try to maneuver your tanks into a defensive position (depending on the current situation) and by yourself
some time to update engineer tasks.

the more often you are able to quickly zoom out and judge the current situation the better you will be able to decide what to do next.

Statistics: Posted by rootbeer23 — 05 Mar 2013, 16:06

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-05T14:24:34+02:00

Actually I realised the reason I first posted this. I was so busy zooming in to micro things that I did not have a chance to look at the overall picture and think about the strategy. I had to deal with giving build orders to 6 different idle engineers on the islands one after the other, meanwhile getting bested in sea and on land. So how does one divide ones attention effectively and still give orders to engineers and factories?

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 05 Mar 2013, 14:24

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-04T21:35:50+02:00

When stuck (or, preferably before) try to make a plan to win in a while, and focus on that.
Having a different plan every 10 minutes is better than having no plan.

Focusing on micro and execution to beat your opponent is the Starcraft way of play.

Rocksteady wrote:
It's a different game but you should check out some of Day9's Starcraft videos, what he says translates fully to all RTS games and is very helpful.

QFT

Statistics: Posted by Valki — 04 Mar 2013, 21:35

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-03T22:18:51+02:00

making 20 movement commands forward and abckwards with an army can amke your opponent very nervous

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 03 Mar 2013, 22:18

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-03T13:19:03+02:00

I'm not sure how the shift key will help with micro, you still have to manually queue everything up and if that engineer gets destroyed you have to start all over again And I am aware of the attack move, but I read that spamming attack move can bugger up the pathfinding. I have noticed that the pros use patrol as well, I guess for this reason. I still think my approach of focusing on the main part of the map then switching to the islands when you are at a stalemate/advantage is valid.

Edit: Also, when I gain the advantage I have no trouble telling what to do because things naturally happen, for instance the mass meter begins to fill up, you realise you have to upgrade mexes, etc, you realise you need to tech up for a final push, but when I am "on the ropes" so to speak I find it very difficult to think how to proceed.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 03 Mar 2013, 13:19

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-03T07:17:01+02:00

Shift key, shift key, shift key.

No need to micro an engie if you just queue everything up. BTW, in watching your replays I'm not sure if you're aware that by putting engies into attack-move mode by using ALT-right click they will automatically reclaim everything in their way. It's better than using patrol to do that because they'll become idle once they've finished reclaiming.

Statistics: Posted by GallantDragon — 03 Mar 2013, 07:17

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-03T06:14:46+02:00

It's just experience and memory. You'll eventually get to a point where you'll know what to do next and just do it without thinking about it. It's a different game but you should check out some of Day9's Starcraft videos, what he says translates fully to all RTS games and is very helpful.

Statistics: Posted by Rocksteady — 03 Mar 2013, 06:14

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-02T22:53:33+02:00

ColonelSheppard agrees with me for a change There must be a minimum APM or something to be able to be competitive because I just seem to be behind all the time.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 02 Mar 2013, 22:53

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-02T22:47:08+02:00

nope,
If you dont know the map - scout your enemy and do the same he does.
If you cant remember the last 10 seconds - doesnt matter.
If you cant imagine situation on the battlefield after 1 min or even 30 sec... hmm actually no idea how this is possible but setting your your factory waypoint to the enemy base always helps.
As more time your waste of your opponent, as more he will get anoyed as more chances you have to win.
If you panic - read the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

And if you have no plan what you are doing at any point of the match you are at the same level as me.

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 02 Mar 2013, 22:47

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-02T22:38:15+02:00

What a douche There is no real variety of strategies anyway.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 02 Mar 2013, 22:38

Re: Managing everything+having time to think in long/big gam

2013-03-02T22:08:36+02:00

All answers in head of theme.
Think.

If you dont know what to do - go home and cry while you can. War is not for you.

If you didnt could create a plan of your managing - ctrl+k.
If you dont know what will you do on unknown map - ctrl+k.
If you can't remember what did you do even 10 sec ago with your squad on front line - ctrl+k.
If you can't imagine situation on the battlefield after 1 min or even 30 sec - ctrl+k.
If you on panic - ctrl+k.
Don't waste your and opponent's time.

Statistics: Posted by Rediska — 02 Mar 2013, 22:08