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Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-28T15:02:03+02:00

laPPen wrote:
how about hives placed next to a mex? they dont get any discount aswell, or?
it would be nice to place 3 teched up of those and a t3 landfac around a mex for lategame

hives have no benefit. that would be a too big disadvantage to all other factions coz hives can also support teching mex, assisting t4 build etc.

Statistics: Posted by Batmansrueckkehr — 28 Jan 2013, 15:02

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-25T16:09:13+02:00

ZLO_RD wrote:
not sure if you are right Gowerly, will reply later

Edit: you tell it like you counting benefits per brick, but even with any assist you get 4 mass per second for free, isn't that so?
Not sure about mass stalling conditions

In that respect you are right, yes. However, the more you assist the building, the greater porportion of the build time is taken by the runoff period. For Air units this is not the case, obviously.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 25 Jan 2013, 16:09

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-25T15:48:35+02:00

how about hives placed next to a mex? they dont get any discount aswell, or?
it would be nice to place 3 teched up of those and a t3 landfac around a mex for lategame

Statistics: Posted by laPPen — 25 Jan 2013, 15:48

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-25T14:29:44+02:00

not sure if you are right Gowerly, will reply later

Edit: you tell it like you counting benefits per brick, but even with any assist you get 4 mass per second for free, isn't that so?
Not sure about mass stalling conditions

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 25 Jan 2013, 14:29

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-25T13:19:09+02:00

But it's 4 for a brick until you get 12 t1 engineers assisting it, whereupon it's only +2. If you're trying to build a land force quickly then the storage is still better.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 25 Jan 2013, 13:19

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-25T12:16:56+02:00

we were able to connect mexes and other buildings before, but now bonuses were buffed, and i wonder why no one posted some calculations...
Mass storage always give 12.5% to mex production
So 0.25 mass for t1
0.75 for t2
And 2.25 for t3
mass consumption of building * bonus%(t1 t2 t3) = mass bonus from mex connectin, and if it bigger then from connecting mass storage, obvius, it is better to connect like that
Or we can just go other way
For t1 mex connect all buildings with more then 3.333333 consumption gives more bonus then storage but you will never put a storage to t1 so connect whaever you want
For t2 all stuff thas gives you more then -5 is better to connect then a storage (-4 from t1 fac is close, also you can spam t1 sera arty -6 mass)
For t3 anything with more then -9 gives you more mass then storage
Storage near t3 mex gives 2.25 while brick/percival production should give 4 mass, 10 for nuke but i have not tested yet
So i hope now it is almost clear what is better...

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 25 Jan 2013, 12:16

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-22T22:56:53+02:00

I like how this buffs mass fabs.

Statistics: Posted by Wakke — 22 Jan 2013, 22:56

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-22T22:53:07+02:00

It's only the factory that gets the discount, right? Assisting engineers pay full mass for their component, according to build rate?

Seems like it would be best at t1 when factories are unassisted. I've seen Setons front players using it early, with 4 land factories around a mex.

Statistics: Posted by stalewee — 22 Jan 2013, 22:53

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-22T19:50:25+02:00

Basically, you can consider that it is no longer a mistake to link a factory with a mex. In any configuration, you will still get a not so little something.
The best situations are when you can have a factory linked to several mexes. Then you can get really good discount and upgrade your factory sooner (since it'll be cheaper). Plenty of experiments can be tried on different maps.

However, you can also completely ignore the bonus and play like before, you won't be at a significant disadvantage, except on maps where you can link a factory to 4 mexes.

Statistics: Posted by pip — 22 Jan 2013, 19:50

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-22T19:36:07+02:00

Afaik you get like 0,5 mass per tick if you put a t2 fac on a t2 fac and like 2 mass per tick if t3 on t3 additionally (=reduced mass due to less storage), but you can't use that mass flexible.

Statistics: Posted by Zock — 22 Jan 2013, 19:36

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-22T17:15:24+02:00

In general I don't think it will be used that much, as the bonus does not transfer to assisting engineers. By that point you're usually constrained more on build power than you are on resources.

Statistics: Posted by Gowerly — 22 Jan 2013, 17:15

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-22T16:05:24+02:00

for my part i didnt use it in lategame mutch. but in early to mid game i like to
have 4 factorys around one mex wich i reclaim later to build storage there.
for the t3 factory surrounded by fabs u have to consider that u will have engenners supporting
this factory and they get no discount. and with no additional buildpower those t3 units take mutch too
long to build them.

Statistics: Posted by laPPen — 22 Jan 2013, 16:05

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-22T14:51:36+02:00

t1 mex = 7.5% discount to factories and Quantum Gateways
t2 mex = 15% discount to factories and Quantum Gateways
t3 mex = 25% discount to factories ; 20% for Quantum Gateways
t2 masss fab = 2% to factories and Quantum Gateways
t3 mass fabs = 20% to factories ; 15 % for Quantum Gateways

From the documentation page: http://www.faforever.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=3621#Adjancency_buffs

Statistics: Posted by Wakke — 22 Jan 2013, 14:51

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-22T14:44:43+02:00

I thought there was always a mex bonus? It just wasn't good enough to be worth it. Can anyone enlighten me as to what the bonus is?

Statistics: Posted by ZaphodX — 22 Jan 2013, 14:44

Re: Experience with the new Factory - Mex/Fab adjacency?

2013-01-22T13:42:26+02:00

Yeah for sure. I always thought that the adjacney system was one of the most interesting features of Supcom, I know this game isn't susposed to be sim city, but it was disappointing just how few adjacencies actually turned out to be worthwhile, risk-reward wise, in high level play.
I used to love reading those huge indepth posts on GPG forums by mathematical types who would test out the possibilites of the system and then debates would run as people put them into practice. Does anyone remember the name of the guy on the forums who GPG consulted when they buffed the energy storage adjacency and a bunch of other buffs (maybe the mass storage buff also)? He made some really amazing threads with crazy research that were fun to read.

Im guessing now that high level players are going to be creating allot more map specific opening build templates to account for all the different mass spot locations*

Statistics: Posted by Crayfish — 22 Jan 2013, 13:42