Forged Alliance Forever

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-29T09:09:26+02:00

Myxir wrote:
imagine having those numbers as a plot or something

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This is very encouraging to see. It's interesting how 2014-18 saw a steady rise, then dip in 2019 and then a sharp spike in 2020! Long may that incline continue!

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 29 Apr 2020, 09:09

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-29T08:59:42+02:00

randall172 wrote:
yes, trueskill inherently measures "relative" skill levels, due to supcom in general being a game leaning towards the end of its lifespan there isn't that much of an influx of new players.

this means that while the relative skill levels remain roughly the same, the actual skill level represented at the respective true skill levels are increasing.

bad players are more likely to quit than players who are good, without an influx of new (bad) players inevitably the mean skill level will increase.

Is this really true? Lobby size has almost doubled since a couple of years back. The amount of players on first thing in the morning (GMT time) is the same amount that used to be online weekday evenings at one time.

Interesting explanation of the actual skill level increasing, thanks.

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 29 Apr 2020, 08:59

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-27T23:08:20+02:00

RedX wrote:
Wow, the big jump at the end of 2019 and start of 2020 is surprising.

It definitely supports what i saw during that time too. The Jump to 2k peak players was crazy XD. Like 1k Growth each month during the end of 2019 to start of 2020

Statistics: Posted by Azraeel — 27 Apr 2020, 23:08

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-26T19:20:22+02:00

Wow, the big jump at the end of 2019 and start of 2020 is surprising.

Statistics: Posted by RedX — 26 Apr 2020, 19:20

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-25T10:48:11+02:00

imagine having those numbers as a plot or something

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Statistics: Posted by Myxir — 25 Apr 2020, 10:48

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-24T23:48:48+02:00

randall172 wrote:
yes, trueskill inherently measures "relative" skill levels, due to supcom in general being a game leaning towards the end of its lifespan there isn't that much of an influx of new players.

this means that while the relative skill levels remain roughly the same, the actual skill level represented at the respective true skill levels are increasing.

bad players are more likely to quit than players who are good, without an influx of new (bad) players inevitably the mean skill level will increase.

Data on players per month:
Player being defined as a person that plays at least a single game during said month using the client's services.

yearmonthunique_players
2020417899
2020318895
2020216959
2020116879
20191216215
20191114333
20191013385
2019912990
2019814452
2019713292
2019612341
2019511276
2019411712
2019311845
2019210486
2019113338
20181212633
20181111954
20181011836
2018911774
2018813120
2018713561
2018613463
2018513462
2018413072
2018312644
2018211978
2018112124
20171211506
20171110713
20171011373
2017910901
2017811337
2017711363
2017611695
2017511537
2017411173
2017310919
2017210782
2017110777
20161210756
20161110238
20161012054
2016910660
2016810380
2016710330
201669657
201659819
2016410530
2016311155
201629756
2016110700
2015129939
2015118829
2015108308
201598110
201588713
201578977
201569172
201559402
201549201
201539615
201529098
201518622
2014127820
2014117820
2014108040
201497744
201488413
201478378
201468436
201459139
201448513
201439847
201428444
201418790
2013128596
2013118437
2013109049
201397344
201387814
201377877
201367883
201357765
201347694
201336778
201326006
201315698
2012124284
2012113848
2012103644
201293917
201284307
201273425
201263087
201252944
201242821
201232158
20122509

Also new players are almost always "worth" more than they deserve to be in our implementation of trueskill. This means they tend to offload more points to other people which creates the butterfly effect that leads to a general rating increase. This is why there is a general relativistic inflation in skill level compared to trueskill level on FAF. As FAF gains more and more new players, it would more than likely lead to the "average" going from the current 1100 value to the expected 1500 value it should be.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 24 Apr 2020, 23:48

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-24T16:17:50+02:00

Randall types everybody is amaze

Statistics: Posted by Bennis- — 24 Apr 2020, 16:17

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-24T16:05:40+02:00

yes, trueskill inherently measures "relative" skill levels, due to supcom in general being a game leaning towards the end of its lifespan there isn't that much of an influx of new players.

this means that while the relative skill levels remain roughly the same, the actual skill level represented at the respective true skill levels are increasing.

bad players are more likely to quit than players who are good, without an influx of new (bad) players inevitably the mean skill level will increase.

Statistics: Posted by randall172 — 24 Apr 2020, 16:05

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-15T21:49:44+02:00

If you now play in a room without ventilation you might play worse due to oxygen depletion. I certainly know that is the case for me.

Statistics: Posted by E8400-CV — 15 Apr 2020, 21:49

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-12T18:34:24+02:00

Ftx types nobody understands

Statistics: Posted by Bennis- — 12 Apr 2020, 18:34

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-12T02:54:26+02:00

Trueskill measures skill relative to the average. The average has simply gone way, way up since 5 or more years ago. The average FAF player today is simply incredibly good.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 12 Apr 2020, 02:54

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-11T07:21:01+02:00

No, there definitely shouldn’t be much deflation in the relation between skill and trueskill. FAF’s trueskill distribution falls skews left quite significantly compared to the expected distribution of trueskill. If anything there should be inflation in the relation between skill and trueskill as new players add more “new rating” into the trueskill system than they are actually worth. This tends to cause some sort of natural increase even if you assume a plateau in skill for players.

This, of course, doesn’t really apply to before FAF and possibly doesn’t even apply as an axiom to before some of the major trueskill reworks around 2015 or whenever it happened.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 11 Apr 2020, 07:21

Re: 700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-10T20:15:28+02:00

I can tell you that 1200s now play about the level of 2500s back before FAF.

Statistics: Posted by FunkOff — 10 Apr 2020, 20:15

700 rating the new 1000 rating!?

2020-04-10T14:38:51+02:00

Guys, I've just come back recently and every time I come back I am used to getting my ass kicked. I have played since Jan 2013 when I returned to SupCom after playing it on GPG. Every time I take a break of 6 months or more it is normally a baptism of fire and this time no different. Although it seems that the average player has cumulatively become more skillful to the point where it is noticeable.
For instance, now a 700 1v1 rating is quite formidable and equivalent to about a 1000 1v1 rating back in 2015. Is it me or am I going crazy!? I am 30 years of age now, when I first played SupCom I was 17, when I made my come back in 2013 I was 23, now I am 30, so perhaps my age is catching up with me! See you all in the nursing home, soon!

Statistics: Posted by Flynn — 10 Apr 2020, 14:38