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Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T20:53:09+02:00

It's not a bannable offense and never will be.

Statistics: Posted by Raging_Squirrel — 05 Sep 2012, 20:53

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T20:06:05+02:00

it might be lame BUT we play to win, dont we? at least most do. If I could win a game, cos I hide and my opponent finally gives up and leaves, would I do it? I think yes, at least if it is a ladder or tournament game

Statistics: Posted by Kryo — 05 Sep 2012, 20:06

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T20:12:15+02:00

Voodoo is a moderator so also note his post in this thread. The issue of him not forfeiting is already settled by Voodoo. It is not a punishable offense. The debate of whether a player can hide their ACU is over. They can hide it.

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=581

The other issue posed by the OP is their opponents behavior in chat. See this linked post by moderator UBER_geek for details on chat rules. Decide whether you think your opponent broke these any of these rules. It is up to you to contact a moderator to request a judgement. It is quite possible that his chat was punishable. It is up to a moderator to decide after watching the replay if a replay becomes necessary. You should watch the replay yourself and find the evidence of chat rule violation. I imagine this is a very long replay and you should make the job of the moderator consume as little of their time as possible. Locate the chat in question and note its time. Tell the moderator what these chat messages were. They should be able to tell you at this point if the chat is against the rules in the link. They can then ask the opponent if they will admit to making such statements. If there is a disagreement on what was said, then the moderator may need to spend the time to watch the replay. I imagine the opponent would wish to be truthful to the moderator and not force them to watch a super long replay to reveal any deceit. Moderator should not have to watch the replay unless this opponent's chat was a violation of chat rules and they will not admit to it.

Statistics: Posted by Myrdral — 05 Sep 2012, 19:59

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T19:46:49+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
But bottom line. It's not unfair nor should it be banned. It's just dickhead attitude , refer to the post viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1844&view=unread#unread

It's not exactly the same , but it's about people dragging games just for the sake of it

lol you are actually serious about this "ban anybody who is not going to be crtl-k when it seems like the game is lost" GJ

if your are not able to find the com you do not deserve to win, not going crtl-k has nothing to do with dickhead attitude if you say Clock and stealth is unfair there are 2 soloutions:

1. host a game with rules
2. l2p

i really suggest to close this thread

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 05 Sep 2012, 19:46

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T17:48:17+02:00

Exactly: cloaked commander? Kill the Power generators. The power generators can only be built on land and can at most be stealthed, so spamming omni sensors everywhere will deal with the problem. Additionally, because stealthed buildings will always be discovered with a simple plane passing by, finding the ACUs power and destroying it is very simple.

If he has SCUs, it's going to be a bit of a problem, since they are mobile and can hide underwater, which can easily be combined with mobile sonar, which gives the SCUs stealth. I believe they can add RAS with stealth (no cloak since it's more expensive than the RAS gain) as well, so you'll just have to find those with spy planes. Then send subs or torpedo bombers to kill the SCUs (note the fact that you'll need gunships too, to kill and torpedo bombers that SCUs can rapidly build).

However, if the opponent has several SCUs along with a cloaked ACU, you're a bit further away from total victory than if you just face a cloaked ACU.

Furthermore, just nuke the complete corners. Players have a tendency to hide just there. If you launch an occasional nuke, you'll probably keep him moving. Downside of this is the fact that you'll need to scout places more than once, but I think it is useful to nuke at least the corners.

Other than that, it is a valid tactic and there's no reason to claim otherwise. If he only has an ACU hiding, you are in a complete advantage. Just remember to protect your own ACU well, with things like gunships or (in case of Aeon and Cybran) experimentals, or a bunch of PDs without AoE etc. Don't forget to keep your ACU well inside omni sensor range (of which you will have many), so that a surprise is absolutely impossible. Just keep hunting.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 05 Sep 2012, 17:48

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T17:20:47+02:00

-_V_- wrote:
t3 sonar doesn't reveal clocked commander (unless very close to it, i think it has omni)

Unless he had pgens then the commander would not have been cloaked. You cannot have RAS and cloak at the same time.

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 05 Sep 2012, 17:20

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T14:10:03+02:00

t3 sonar doesn't reveal clocked commander (unless very close to it, i think it has omni)

The cloak requires energy, just have it all and that's all.

But the easiest way is to scout the whole map. On setons, 20*20, 5 spies on each side of the map is enough to cover it all so...

But bottom line. It's not unfair nor should it be banned. It's just dickhead attitude , refer to the post viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1844&view=unread#unread

It's not exactly the same , but it's about people dragging games just for the sake of it

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 05 Sep 2012, 14:10

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T13:30:09+02:00

DilliDalli wrote:
Cybran ACUs can't have stealth and RAS, so given he can't be stealthed very long at all (assuming he only has his com) I'm not sure why it would take so long to find him.

T3 sonar is a very cheap and effective counter

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 05 Sep 2012, 13:30

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T08:46:14+02:00

DilliDalli wrote:
Cybran ACUs can't have stealth and RAS, so given he can't be stealthed very long at all (assuming he only has his com) I'm not sure why it would take so long to find him.

Yes thats right.

And it's a part of the game, live with it.

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 05 Sep 2012, 08:46

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T08:31:26+02:00

Cybran ACUs can't have stealth and RAS, so given he can't be stealthed very long at all (assuming he only has his com) I'm not sure why it would take so long to find him.

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 05 Sep 2012, 08:31

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T07:08:17+02:00

Hi Myrdral,

This was indeed a case of good old fashion griefing. Call me a noob but my team mate and I scoured the entire map with spy planes, T3 sonars, and T3 omni radar at the edge of every piece of land. He was in the water at the edge of the map. It wasn't until my teammate flew his ACU in a transport over the location that we found him. Maybe it was a coincidence, I was building dozens of omni radars near the same area. I'm 100% sure I flew T3 spy planes over him many times and never saw him. Is this possible? Is it perhaps only because he was in the water? The map 'Shards' is a 40km x 40km map making this process incredibly time consuming.

He did not try to win by any means. He sat there insulting us on the chat saying he's going to leave his game open and tomorrow morning he'll see if we found him. It was literally his only unit left and my teammate and I both had healthy economies. I don't believe he would have had enough resources for teleport, and I'm not sure if you can use the ACU laser under water? Even if you could, neither of us had any intention on walking our ACUs across the ocean floor on a 40 x 40km map, as that would have taken several more hours. When my team mate spotted him finally after...5 hours of game play? I littered the area with nukes. Just flying torpedo bombers across the map would have taken another 5 minutes.

It was just disappointing to see this kind of thing in a community driven platform like FAForever. Makes me wonder if this guy or his buddies which he spoke so highly of achieved their ranks through similar tactics.

Statistics: Posted by gaspimp — 05 Sep 2012, 07:08

Re: Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban

2012-09-05T06:41:41+02:00

I think the greater offense here is his intent, not the use of the cloak. Also, trying to convince your opponent to quit is unsportsmanlike. I think it would be very sportsmanlike on his part to either try to win the game or quit. I agree that delaying the game without trying to win other than making your opponents quit in frustration is not good.

I do not know what you did to search for him. If you did not already do this, then spam a huge amount of T3 spy planes and sweep the map to find him. A player is allowed to use any tactic they wish to try and stay alive. It is quite possible that he was indeed trying to win if he had cloak and laser upgrades. He would certainly be capable of sniping a careless ACU performing a search for him if he has other ACU upgrades than cloak.

I have a few questions, did you use T3 omni and T3 spy planes in large quantities to search? These are your best tools to find him and you should get right on producing them to end the game quickly. It will not take long to produce T3 spy planes even if you do not even have a good eco or T3 air factory yet. You can focus all of your economy on getting them as he has no real threat against you. Another question, did he try to win by any other means than chat? It is quite possible that he was attempting to frustrate you and bait you to come search for him with your ACUs omni radar so that he would have a chance to kill them. In this case, he may have decided to use a ruse in chat mostly to inflame your emotions and cause you to make a mistake and lose your ACU.

All of this of course is dependant on more information about your game. I will watch the replay if I must, but I would rather not spend the time if you could spend a lot less time and answer my questions please. If he only had cloak upgrade, then he likely is in need of a review by moderator for griefing. I do not know FAF policy on such a tactic as this, so you will have to wait for a reply from moderator. I think you could PM moderator UBER about this problem and he will help you. I do not know if other moderator wish to be PM'd or not.

Statistics: Posted by Myrdral — 05 Sep 2012, 06:41

Prolonging game with cybran commander cloak. Unfair? Ban?

2012-09-05T05:32:50+02:00

Just wondering if using the cybran commander cloak on a massive map for hours as your only unit constitutes as playing unfairly/cheating? BRS_Allan's commander was the only unit left and it took us hours to find it while he sat there trying to convince us to quit so he could win.

Replay ID 305717

Statistics: Posted by gaspimp — 05 Sep 2012, 05:32