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Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T20:13:23+02:00

This chat is moving so quick it ate my post and I cannot be arsed to type 4 paragraphs again

I instructed that median dots all be removed (They ugly) and we rephrase to avoid the issue wherever possible. This should be acceptable to both sides, as aside from anything else it is the translation ideology used by the pros who did the GPG localisation.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 19 Jun 2019, 20:13

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T20:06:09+02:00

On one hand, besides the political and personal interjections, it makes for an interesting thread about issues with translations. The only thing unnecessary would be labeling other people and dismissing arguments as hates speech

Statistics: Posted by Ze Dogfather — 19 Jun 2019, 20:06

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T20:05:48+02:00

BlackYps wrote:
Do I understand correctly that five pages of forum posts were created, that would be unnecessary, if people that dislike the dot would speak with louvegarde to find a different translation?

Basically, yes.

Statistics: Posted by Louvegarde — 19 Jun 2019, 20:05

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T20:02:00+02:00

I think it's sad that as soon as a gender topic is brought up even moderators start shitposting. I can't even find any SJW in this thread. Almost looks like the people that are literally Hitler as we learned from the OP are not existing in that form.

Do I understand correctly that five pages of forum posts were created, that would be unnecessary, if people that dislike the dot would speak with louvegarde to find a different translation?

Statistics: Posted by BlackYps — 19 Jun 2019, 20:02

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T19:44:20+02:00

At the end of the day a fucking . Being included in the map name wouldn't fucking matter to me or prevent me from playing the game as it is. Don't understand the butthurt coming from some people over that as if a dot suddenly removes all cognition from their puny brains. Secondly i think anyone who isn't french or speaks fluent french can't really make a holistic argument since they don't know enough about the climate. Calling all baguette lovers to take it from here on out.

Statistics: Posted by Dro — 19 Jun 2019, 19:44

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T19:41:37+02:00

Monkey Ruler wouldn't sound as good giebmasse?

Statistics: Posted by Dro — 19 Jun 2019, 19:41

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T19:39:45+02:00

While we are at it...

Statistics: Posted by Viba — 19 Jun 2019, 19:39

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T18:33:43+02:00

UnorthodoxBox wrote:
Edit: To be honest I don't even like gendered writing (probably because it does not exist in English and I am not used to it), but it seems that adding all these dots just complicates things

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Louvegarde wrote:
Median points are not always necessary to make a sentence gender neutral, they're just a writing tool that make some terms more straightforward with little to no overhead. [...] Gender-neutral writing and median point are not the same thing.

Statistics: Posted by Louvegarde — 19 Jun 2019, 18:33

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T17:15:07+02:00

Blackster wrote:
@ Box
You open a can of worms.
What pace is slow enough for a change to be "natural"? When is it "too fast"? Is it ever?
Are you implying that all of the above linked to language regulators are to be opposed?

There was a "Spelling reform" in Germany in 1996. Oh my, the whining of the people! "How dare they change our language, no matter how illogical the language is!"
Now, decades later, noone is looking back. Young people are like "what? you used to write it like THAT? Makes NO sense!" And they are right.

The most common argument against any change was: "We should leave it as is - because it always has been like that."

Well was the spelling reform based on making the language more accessible and easier to understand? Because if that is the case, then it makes sense. The inclusive writing to avoid using the wrong gender, however, neither makes the language more accessible, nor easier to understand. From what I gather, it is so people do not get upset if they are defaultly referred to as male when they do not identify as male.

Edit: To be honest I don't even like gendered writing (probably because it does not exist in English and I am not used to it), but it seems that adding all these dots just complicates things

Statistics: Posted by UnorthodoxBox — 19 Jun 2019, 17:15

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T17:14:55+02:00

Mathew wrote:
Surely the 'fix' for this problem is to have 1 word (no masculine or feminine versions)

I propose the solution

wait for it.....

Auteur inconnu

While I can get behind the idea of purging gendered language entirely,

Spoiler: show

I did say a couple of messages ago for arguments which includes realistic ones that we can accomplish, not ones that require the french state

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 19 Jun 2019, 17:14

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T17:14:09+02:00

@FtX
One spark is enough to initiate a discussion.
Exchange thoughts (not only speak but also listen), think about it, then conclude and move ahead.

Am I saying I think it is great what is being described by the OP? Not really. Am I well informed? No. Would I like to hear the perspective of the person who wrote those lines without making him the devil first? You bet.

Statistics: Posted by --- — 19 Jun 2019, 17:14

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T17:12:56+02:00

Surely the 'fix' for this problem is to have 1 word (no masculine or feminine versions)

I propose the solution

wait for it.....

Auteur inconnu

Statistics: Posted by Mathew — 19 Jun 2019, 17:12

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T17:09:20+02:00

@ Box
You open a can of worms.
What pace is slow enough for a change to be "natural"? When is it "too fast"? Is it ever?
Are you implying that all of the above linked to language regulators are to be opposed?

There was a "Spelling reform" in Germany in 1996. Oh my, the whining of the people! "How dare they change our language, no matter how illogical the language is!"
Now, decades later, noone is looking back. Young people are like "what? you used to write it like THAT? Makes NO sense!" And they are right.

The most common argument against any change was: "We should leave it as is - because it always has been like that."

Statistics: Posted by --- — 19 Jun 2019, 17:09

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T17:07:27+02:00

Blackster wrote:
FtXCommando wrote:Don’t really care one way or the other about how stuff is reworded to avoid misgendering, but anyone arguing that this dot stuff should stay in FAF is seriously delusional. It’s about as ugly as if alL englisH sentenceS haD tO looK likE thiS. Who cares about the politics when no one would want to read the text you’re trying to fix?

Grammatical issues aside - it is nothing but a getting used to period (and a social consensus, of course). If everyone started wRiTinG lIkE tHaT eVeNtUaLlY iT wOuLd bE tOtAlLy nOrMaL.

Hardly any young person nowadays can easily read old German Fraktur-writing. It basically is about to die out. So what? Life is change, and so is language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraktur

Bet if you count the grand total of lines any French dude wrote in French on FAF media that involved this dot meme you would get a number less than 3. This isn’t getting used to anything, it’s pushing a thing the vast majority of people will say is weird for no tangible benefit.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 19 Jun 2019, 17:07

Re: Make baguette great again (keep FAF free from politics)

2019-06-19T17:03:35+02:00

Blackster wrote:
Life is change, and so is language.

Yes, languages do change over time, everyone can agree on that. They change naturally, however, and slowly through generations. This, however, is a change that is trying to be pushed, rather than naturally occurring.

Statistics: Posted by UnorthodoxBox — 19 Jun 2019, 17:03