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Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-14T16:02:40+02:00

my reading is that i have no interest in discussing the hypothetical creation and abuse of something that could be there in the future but is not now

if you feel inclined to invest your time on such a thing then feel free and go ahead but don't expect me to do the same

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 14 Apr 2019, 16:02

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-14T15:08:40+02:00

That is the problem, though: you are opting out because it's not something you want to do. People with power should be motivated, not just do what they feel like. Even voodoo took interest in evaluating the situation.

You can leave the big decision-making to others, but at least show you understand why people are concerned.

My reading is just that: you don't want to discuss the difficult subjects.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 14 Apr 2019, 15:08

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-14T06:42:10+02:00

Morax if you would learn how to read then you might have noticed that i don't want to force my opinion on the matter and would prefer if other people (e.g. the PC) evaluate this sort of stuff and then talk to other councilors (especially the game and balance councilor)

But thank you for pointing out that i'm "another ineffective mod"
that surely will motivate me to help others

@stoneman - people will always look for a way to bend the rules

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 14 Apr 2019, 06:42

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-14T05:14:31+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
maybe because it's a very subjective topic

hotbuild hotkeys allow you to do things a lot more efficient - should we force everyone to not use them cause clicking more with the mouse requires more skill/apm?

i prefer people being interested in improving/modding/fixing the game and its flaws over being overly strict regarding the rules all the time
if something is over the line/gets out of hand then we can still take action and try to find a common ground (together with eg the balance team/the PC etc.)

Says the sentons player who doesn't see the merits of having more apm rather waiting until the t3 mex.

Your mind is one tracked since you don't play ladder nor much team games.

In fact, what do you play that gives you such an ability to judge?

I see you as yet another ineffective mod for this subject, as your lack of experience in games other than sentons is not very supportive to the effects of these mods.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 14 Apr 2019, 05:14

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-13T21:34:21+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
i prefer people being interested in improving/modding/fixing the game and its flaws over being overly strict regarding the rules all the time
if something is over the line/gets out of hand then we can still take action and try to find a common ground (together with eg the balance team/the PC etc.)

what most ppl will end up doing is looking for ways to bend the rules and make the game more and more "fun"

reclaiming too require skill right so why mot make it better and find a way for ppl not to learn it and instead "upgrade" engis

I agree with Morax.

Statistics: Posted by stoneMan — 13 Apr 2019, 21:34

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-13T16:25:26+02:00

maybe because it's a very subjective topic

hotbuild hotkeys allow you to do things a lot more efficient - should we force everyone to not use them cause clicking more with the mouse requires more skill/apm?

i prefer people being interested in improving/modding/fixing the game and its flaws over being overly strict regarding the rules all the time
if something is over the line/gets out of hand then we can still take action and try to find a common ground (together with eg the balance team/the PC etc.)

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 13 Apr 2019, 16:25

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-13T15:59:11+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
could be a nice task for the player councilor to come up with a rule for this situation and then talk about it with the mod councilor and the game councilor/other devs who can give insight on it on a technical level

How about people learn how to play the game instead of using the excuse "it's not really an unfair advantage even though it does things for me I normally cannot on my own? "

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 13 Apr 2019, 15:59

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-13T12:14:35+02:00

pm the irc moderation group and attach the mod you want to inquire about or something like that

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 13 Apr 2019, 12:14

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-13T11:02:38+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
i recommend asking the devs/moderation team whether or not a new ui mod that does automated stuff is ok to use

whats the best way to reach all of the representatives for a inquiry like that? I mean , other than the current thread?

Statistics: Posted by Zopzodeman — 13 Apr 2019, 11:02

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-13T10:30:58+02:00

i recommend asking the devs/moderation team whether or not a new ui mod that does automated stuff is ok to use

if we draw a hard line ppl will just get angry about it one way or the other so not doing anything until something questionable is getting used is the easiest way for us to deal with this situation

could be a nice task for the player councilor to come up with a rule for this situation and then talk about it with the mod councilor and the game councilor/other devs who can give insight on it on a technical level

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 13 Apr 2019, 10:30

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-13T10:03:24+02:00

Zopzodeman wrote:
SO what is allowed and what is not if this mod is "legal" ?
Where are the rules that specify what an UI mod can and cannot do ?

Im asking again : Is there any written down ruleset available ? or are decisions just made on the current "mood" of the representatives?

Statistics: Posted by Zopzodeman — 13 Apr 2019, 10:03

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-11T14:36:52+02:00

Farmsletje wrote:
speed2 wrote:Personal attack? I recommended you a place where you won't have to deal with this mod you don't like and still enjoy this game! You can thank me later

don't like the mod? just go to steam!
don't like current balance? just go to steam!
don't like the PC? just go to steam!

Thanks for answering every future question on the entire forums. much appreciated

don't like my forum post?s just go to steam!

Statistics: Posted by speed2 — 11 Apr 2019, 14:36

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-11T13:21:26+02:00

speed2 wrote:
Personal attack? I recommended you a place where you won't have to deal with this mod you don't like and still enjoy this game! You can thank me later

don't like the mod? just go to steam!
don't like current balance? just go to steam!
don't like the PC? just go to steam!

Thanks for answering every future question on the entire forums. much appreciated

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 11 Apr 2019, 13:21

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-11T13:00:15+02:00

I think adjustable target priority makes the game *more* complex and not less... it expands the overall pool of possible actions, while also removing depth (removing the choice of whether u want to move or focus fire). Ie. it makes the game harder to learn and easier to master, that sounds like a lose-lose to me.

Agree with that.

Statistics: Posted by crazywauz — 11 Apr 2019, 13:00

Re: Important: Changeable Target Priorities are unfair/cheat

2019-04-10T19:41:58+02:00

It is, the latest ruling just said that you are free to use this kind of mods no matter how big the advantage over other players.

Statistics: Posted by Endranii — 10 Apr 2019, 19:41