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Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-30T16:29:15+02:00

I say start the match with 2 land scouts

At least that will really emphasise scouting to those beginning players

Statistics: Posted by AdmiralZeech — 30 Aug 2012, 16:29

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-29T15:11:42+02:00

Same for me
Those few seconds are great for increasing concentration, and take a look on the map if you dont know it

Statistics: Posted by Fok — 29 Aug 2012, 15:11

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-29T15:07:20+02:00

i need my 30s while buildign factory dude, saying gl and hf, buildorder, fab-buildorder and so on...

Statistics: Posted by ColonelSheppard — 29 Aug 2012, 15:07

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-29T14:53:01+02:00

I think the best way is to make the first factory be build instant.
Starting with two engineers might be interesting too. Maybe combine both to boost up the slow early minute and give the player more options.

Statistics: Posted by Bhaal — 29 Aug 2012, 14:53

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-27T13:33:21+02:00

first factory is always the time you have to close skype or end a facebook conversation! This can't be!

Statistics: Posted by Lu_Xun_17 — 27 Aug 2012, 13:33

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-27T13:23:07+02:00

It make the game faster and better for viewer but i think it can be a pain for the players. We need new build orders for all maps and you have to be very fast at the start.

I think i could like this changs course you have realy nothing to do when you are building the factory.

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 27 Aug 2012, 13:23

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-27T05:03:53+02:00

This is kind of random, and not direclty related to the engineer issue, but some friends and I play boozed-up SupCom against Sorian AI and we use a mod that starts all the human players off with a pair of SCUs. Things get going pretty fast with the combination of t3 build capability and a nice early kick to mass/energy income.

Statistics: Posted by Bogus — 27 Aug 2012, 05:03

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-26T23:58:04+02:00

I'd actually like the ACU to have the build,power it has with the T2 engineering upgrade from the start.

More incentive for an eco commander, even a defensive constructor.

Statistics: Posted by thygrrr — 26 Aug 2012, 23:58

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-20T22:59:08+02:00

Lol... OH so many different trees you could reclaim! the strategic depth is incredible..

No, what you're suggesting is not better, just different. Since you astutely saw through my sarcasm that using the engies to crash your economy is not REALLY an option, the only real option is to reclaim, and if each side gets the same 2 engies and the same reclaim, there's not much point. There is ample depth in the build order now, choosing land/air, choosing scouts/engies/hunters/tanks/aa, and how many. Put down the dream pipe.

Statistics: Posted by Doompants — 20 Aug 2012, 22:59

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-20T12:51:06+02:00

Doompants wrote:
No. you're missing the point. The only way you'd have more strategic variations with two additional engineers, is if you had more mass per second to build with at the start of the game, and you don't. The only 2 things you could do with two engineers is stall your economy faster until your first few mexes were built, or go reclaiming.

Not worth changing.

What you could do with 2 engineers in the beginning, is sending them out to reclaim, or they are headed to an important location. Then the LABs will catch up and protecting them is more important then ever. If you want to use your 2 engies on ruining your economy, be my guest. Also you could spend the money you would on engineers on some few extra LABs instead, making it more actionbased in the start.

In short there are many things you can do with them, many locations they could be sent too, arriving just in time for there to be economy for them. But it is not noob friendly, which is why I like it the way it is. Would be good for watching though, absolutely. Damn, now I even want this!

Statistics: Posted by crippen — 20 Aug 2012, 12:51

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-20T11:34:38+02:00

I am against it as well. I can understand why you would want such a thing but don't forget that there are noobs playing. They would be instantaniously overwhelmed. They should have the time to think about what they have to change from the last time, think about their build order or even think about a new bo.

Statistics: Posted by theManfet — 20 Aug 2012, 11:34

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-20T10:30:12+02:00

I don't think initial engineers would be a good thing. I thought the point of the game was you gated in with one unit and then made lots of units. If you're gating in with engies then why not with labs, or t3 bombers as well?

Statistics: Posted by Softly — 20 Aug 2012, 10:30

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-20T06:53:32+02:00

No. you're missing the point. The only way you'd have more strategic variations with two additional engineers, is if you had more mass per second to build with at the start of the game, and you don't. The only 2 things you could do with two engineers is stall your economy faster until your first few mexes were built, or go reclaiming.

Not worth changing.

Statistics: Posted by Doompants — 20 Aug 2012, 06:53

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-20T02:07:39+02:00

uberge3k wrote:
Gowerly wrote:You build a factory first anyway, so what's it going to add? You can make the factory in 15 seconds instead of 30?
Your resource count is not high enough at the start to do much else.

This.

If you don't already have more things to do for the first 30 seconds than you have time for, then you need to start finding them.

It could add quite a few nice strategic variations for a lot of maps making games more diverse and more fun

Statistics: Posted by noobymcnoobcake — 20 Aug 2012, 02:07

Re: The one thing from Supreme Commander 2

2012-08-15T15:28:35+02:00

Kryo wrote:
Dont you think after 5 years of Supreme Commander it gets boring, to start every game the same way, and it takes at least 2,5- to 3 minutes until something happens?

It's not boring at all. It's quite interesting to find new builds to always get a better development in the long run. There are many things to do in the beginning.

In my gold FA age, I spent literally hours trying to perfect build.
It's quite interesting to see what impact does the very beginning of different builds have on your eco at 20min.

Trying and trying to gain a few secs to build a faster t2 mex, a faster transport or whatever can be quite rewarding when you finally achieve it

Statistics: Posted by -_V_- — 15 Aug 2012, 15:28