Dro wrote:

Farmsletje wrote:gap (not dual gap) is actually pretty good to learn how to properly eco up, which is the most important aspect of the game which many low level players lack. Imo it's better than playing 1v1 games since there will most likely be better players than you in the game that are better at ecoing. Then you can just look at how they do it and get better like that. Ofcourse it's still a turtle map and lacks other aspects of the game, but for beginning players it's a good start if they want to become better.

ive fucking said this for ages and every single person ive said it too has continued with the "gap is irrelevant you are fucking garbage for playing it only play 1v1" finally nice to see someone agreeing.

Farmsletje wrote:
gap (not dual gap) is actually pretty good to learn how to properly eco up, which is the most important aspect of the game which many low level players lack. Imo it's better than playing 1v1 games since there will most likely be better players than you in the game that are better at ecoing. Then you can just look at how they do it and get better like that. Ofcourse it's still a turtle map and lacks other aspects of the game, but for beginning players it's a good start if they want to become better.

ZeRen wrote:

Plasma_Wolf wrote:
Seton's is too big to win with any rush, be it a land rush, a naval rush or any bomber rush or air drop. Eventually all this will become a mass donation for the enemy team. How soon it's a mass donation depends on how well aware the enemy team is.

I remember a Seton's game where my enemy team managed to sneak in some engineers very very early. By the time we figured out what was going on, he had 4 factories building tanks and the first tanks were attacking the remote mexes. A group of bombers and a couple of gunships managed to contain the problem by going after the building engineers first, while an ACU went to block a path for the tanks to go through. Not long after that everything was dead and we basically had the mass to upgrade 3 mexes to T2. That meant the opponent has spent at least 4 T2 mexes worth in land units and accompanying factories.

you mean like this?

WARNING - for strong people only, it is brutal

build radar peops

Plasma_Wolf wrote:
Seton's is too big to win with any rush, be it a land rush, a naval rush or any bomber rush or air drop. Eventually all this will become a mass donation for the enemy team. How soon it's a mass donation depends on how well aware the enemy team is.

I remember a Seton's game where my enemy team managed to sneak in some engineers very very early. By the time we figured out what was going on, he had 4 factories building tanks and the first tanks were attacking the remote mexes. A group of bombers and a couple of gunships managed to contain the problem by going after the building engineers first, while an ACU went to block a path for the tanks to go through. Not long after that everything was dead and we basically had the mass to upgrade 3 mexes to T2. That meant the opponent has spent at least 4 T2 mexes worth in land units and accompanying factories.

Plasma_Wolf wrote:
Seton's is too big to win with any rush, be it a land rush, a naval rush or any bomber rush or air drop. Eventually all this will become a mass donation for the enemy team. How soon it's a mass donation depends on how well aware the enemy team is.

LabPunk wrote:

Alimonos wrote:I mean why nobody helps the middle man in setons with land and make an early push with t2 land? (as this is where most games where descided back in the original game)
The right and left guys teching navy and some air, the back slot is making ASFs and T3 arty-nuke, so its always predictable...

I uploaded a replay to see my point where i forced the other team to make land to stop my push so it was 3vs1 while eventually i got rekt by 1 or 2 navies and my bad eco...
Also i realised form watching others replays that this is the middle mans fate most of the time, so nobody likes this spot and nobody supports it.

I think you just proved the point yourself. Seton's has a strong Meta, which is a default way of playing the game which many consecutive games have proven to work the best. Kind of like an opening in Chess.
Good players still try to disrupt the opposing team's opening, but you first have to learn the Meta, in order to know how to break it.
You can watch some replays to get an idea of the maps, middling ones, not just with pros.
Watch this one to see all the stuff that can go hilariously wrong in a Seton's: 8829627
Navy players should support mid, but this works best by destroying your opposing navy, and bombarding the shore.

Alimonos wrote:
Hosts tend to kick me cause im noob and new yet if ppl care so much about rating (which i dont understand how it works yet) why they dont do diffrent tactics less predictable why dont they try to shift the meta and suprise win.

Hope you enlighten me.

A lot of games have specific ratings requirements.
Try joining games that are All Welcome with an average rating ~200 above yours. If you win a few of those you should go up quite quickly to at least 700r, then you can join all sorts of games. You'll probably like Canis, Twin River, and Open Palms.

Alimonos wrote:
I mean why nobody helps the middle man in setons with land and make an early push with t2 land? (as this is where most games where descided back in the original game)
The right and left guys teching navy and some air, the back slot is making ASFs and T3 arty-nuke, so its always predictable...

I uploaded a replay to see my point where i forced the other team to make land to stop my push so it was 3vs1 while eventually i got rekt by 1 or 2 navies and my bad eco...
Also i realised form watching others replays that this is the middle mans fate most of the time, so nobody likes this spot and nobody supports it.