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Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T22:01:19+02:00

I made last week since a 1.5k ranked player requested, a little mod with a nano upgrade for cybran. He wanted a more balanced ACU against other factions.

You can find it 'Cybran Dream' in the vault.

Statistics: Posted by Franck83 — 14 Aug 2018, 22:01

Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T13:44:07+02:00

If it wasn't for the personal cloaking device it would be cool for the cybran ACU to have an early-game stealth field around him.
In a more fantazied way he could have a capacity that disables his collision box and allows him to walk through units without being blocked, making it harder to catch

Ofc I wish none of those upgrades to make it in the current game but it's funny to think around that idea of adding new upgrades to the Cybran ACU.

Statistics: Posted by Louvegarde — 14 Aug 2018, 13:44

Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T13:09:31+02:00

FlyingThunder wrote:
walking speed is already a thing in Blops ACU iirc. would be impossible to balance

Works just fine in Nomads. However there are a lot of different upgrades and better distribution for speed. Cybran ACU would be bad for that at least because you have to put speed in same place as tech. Otherwise t3 ACU insta-upgrades speed everytime it sees experimental and runs away. But being in same place with t2 also means being in same place with gun = useless without gun.

As Ftx said, FAF community generally doesn't like new units and ACU upgrades have equal impact. I remember when Resin_Smoker proposed this unit /viewtopic.php?f=41&t=9502 . Sadly all ended up with this

Spoiler: show

And i'd be accurate to add something new on top of we already have. So if cybrans were to get some form of additional damage instead of survivability, i would suggest to make ACU shoot hoplite-like rockets via upgrading torp launcher = additional DPS with some range + ability to get it with stealth and gun/t2. Transforming torps into rockets is something that many cybran units do anyway.

Also one of things i dislike about cybran upgrades is RAS. You don't have ARAS, nor you can't get it with armor upgrade. It would be awesome if it was moved on right hand. Would be cool to have glowing generator on the chest of Cybron man! +you'd be able to get it with cloak and somewhat support it.

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 14 Aug 2018, 13:09

Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T10:03:25+02:00

2nd gun would make cybran ACU no longer be the weakest combat ACU, would hvae to be balanced.
TMD would be pmuch useless as cybran already has good normal TMD and in situations where you would upgrade this ACU-TMD you most likely have t2 suite -> normal TMD anyways
walking speed is already a thing in Blops ACU iirc. would be impossible to balance

i had the idea that cybran upgrade choices are very poor too - i would add an upgrade in the path between stealth and cloak that adds a stealth field. that would be sufficient to not make cybran a stronger combat ACU but fits its role of many support tools and of the stealthy raiding faction.

Statistics: Posted by FlyingThunder — 14 Aug 2018, 10:03

Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T05:04:13+02:00

A gun that shoots absolver shots followed by an acu shot to prevent the mobile shield spanking cybran gets, balance is easy smh

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 14 Aug 2018, 05:04

Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T04:54:03+02:00

FtXCommando wrote:
Last new thing added to FAF was t3 maa like 5-6 years ago and that was extremely controversial. I still think that was a mistake and wouldn’t mind reverting it for the sake of losing people pointing towards it to show FAF will accept new units. And yes, I would say a new ACU upgrade counts as a unit, it is certainly as game defining.

I’d rather focus on adjusting stealth to give a potential hp boost with a cost increase. But that’s just my opinion.

I agree that we shouldn't add more units or ACU upgrades. This thread is more about IF we were to add more Cybran upgrades, what would be some potential upgrades that would still keep within FAF balance?

Statistics: Posted by Deribus — 14 Aug 2018, 04:54

Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T04:42:36+02:00

Last new thing added to FAF was t3 maa like 5-6 years ago and that was extremely controversial. I still think that was a mistake and wouldn’t mind reverting it for the sake of losing people pointing towards it to show FAF will accept new units. And yes, I would say a new ACU upgrade counts as a unit, it is certainly as game defining.

I’d rather focus on adjusting stealth to give a potential hp boost with a cost increase. But that’s just my opinion.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 14 Aug 2018, 04:42

Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T04:08:12+02:00

FtXCommando wrote:
Like for actual FAF balance or?

Yep

Apofenas wrote:
2d gun is called Microwave laser

I wouldn't put Microwave laser in the same category, since it is very late game and really only used for telemaser.

Can't see how this isn't stolen from Nomads. Will require a lot of work with walking animation and probably modelling to make that animation not retarded.

Actually stole the idea from BlackOps, but I still think it's a good one.

IMO cybrans need survivability upgrade for t2/t3 phase. Just like it is requested again and again for last 6 years i've been in FAF.

I agree, but what kind? 2 other factions already have nano, and a personal shield is very un-Cybran-like.

Statistics: Posted by Deribus — 14 Aug 2018, 04:08

Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T01:33:29+02:00

Deribus wrote:
- 2nd gun upgrade that gives splash, cheaper and less powerful than Sera 2nd gun

2d gun is called Microwave laser

- TML reflector like Loyalists, but better

Will require some textures work. Also balance team would need to steal properly working Loyalist redirect system from EQ and they are obviously not doing it (at least a couple more years).

- Walking speed boost (I think this would allow Cybran ACUs to better assist in raiding, but I can definitely see how many problems this could lead to)

Can't see how this isn't stolen from Nomads. Will require a lot of work with walking animation and probably modelling to make that animation not retarded.

IMO cybrans need survivability upgrade for t2/t3 phase. Just like it is requested again and again for last 6 years i've been in FAF.

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 14 Aug 2018, 01:33

Re: Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-14T01:01:59+02:00

Like for actual FAF balance or?

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 14 Aug 2018, 01:01

Potential Cybran ACU Upgrades

2018-08-13T23:14:12+02:00

As you can see from the attached image, Cybran ACUs have a lot fewer upgrades available than the rest of the factions, so I thought it would be a fun exercise to think up some additional upgrades for them that aren't overpowered and fit with their faction themes.

Here are some ideas I had:
- 2nd gun upgrade that gives splash, cheaper and less powerful than Sera 2nd gun
- TML reflector like Loyalists, but better
- Walking speed boost (I think this would allow Cybran ACUs to better assist in raiding, but I can definitely see how many problems this could lead to)

Statistics: Posted by Deribus — 13 Aug 2018, 23:14