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Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-29T16:49:38+02:00

Just like Exotic told it would happen.

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 29 Mar 2018, 16:49

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-28T21:29:25+02:00

Aeolus moderator for me please. I will moderate all senton drama so it escalates in proper maner into aeolus. Also from time to time I will help some folks like I already do, be they speaking in English, Polish or even russian in case my broken russian will be sufficient. I can be "online" for about 7-9 hours a day when it comes to having aeolus open. Or more Like I always have it open when my PC is actually runnning, slack is no problem when it comes to communication.

Statistics: Posted by Endranii — 28 Mar 2018, 21:29

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-28T18:22:10+02:00

What about people that are talking in weeb? Most people don't understand the dialect so therefore it should follow under the same rules?

There is heavy weeb usage in aeolus at times and it is not being moderated as much as it should be.

Statistics: Posted by Feather — 28 Mar 2018, 18:22

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-28T07:29:41+02:00

Voodoo wrote:
A slack group or a hidden sub forum where all moderators/admins can talk with each other would be a good thing too.

That was something that I thought of the other night (but was tired and forgot to bring up ), that I feel would at least tie the involvement of these various groups instead of having a couple be isolated or out of touch with the rest of moderation. I don't mind the global mods having the ability to kick/ban at all on discord, as long as they inform the mods there about their actions since we do keep records of those offenders and their history.

I'm fine with the ideal overall, atm I'm just looking forward to seeing the Discord admin position being filled soon.

Statistics: Posted by Ze Dogfather — 28 Mar 2018, 07:29

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-27T01:18:11+02:00

SNF chat might be the only place with a higher kick per admin score than aeolus, don't do it plz

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 27 Mar 2018, 01:18

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-27T01:14:21+02:00

Chat moderator please

Statistics: Posted by EcoNoob — 27 Mar 2018, 01:14

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-26T15:01:18+02:00

My thoughts about discord are the following.

The council will decide about the new discord admin after easter. This admin will be responsible for the entire discord matters. That means he will be responsible for the discord moderators and promote/demote them himself. Global moderators should also have the right to kick/(ban?) someone in discord but they aren't reponsible for other affairs. I personally won't touch discord as long as it's running fine.

A slack group or a hidden sub forum where all moderators/admins can talk with each other would be a good thing too.

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 26 Mar 2018, 15:01

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-26T10:47:21+02:00

I do appreciate this idea of establishing a kind of caste system, I think it's important if you want to ensure that you can moderate via multiple platforms, it's good to set up these groups that effectively act the same way, just through their own respective sections. This way it does help to narrow down the tasks set for the designated mods and allow room for others to shoulder some jobs off from the others.

I want to comment too that with the current system we have, it's more or less the same as what is proposed, except that it is not concrete and established when "moderators" are brought up into question. We have few members that are reserved for certain platforms, such as discord and the forum, and we have a large number of these global moderators that while they do oversee all these, are not particularly dedicated to handling all of them. So I think if we are going to proceed with this kind of system, we need to really lay in to what sets them apart and what they are responsible for, while still ensuring that they all respond to the official conduct of moderation according to FAF, in its entirety.

On a side note, I think as far as the list goes, we do need to sort of consider how "global moderators" should apply to each column that you have mentioned. We have a handful of them, and they seem to be active enough as it is, but when regarding how they're involved in a certain criteria, I think we should evaluate if they should have the same impact as their peers of the selected column. What I mean is, while I do see plenty of the global members around, I as a Discord moderator have seen very little to almost no interaction of these individuals when it comes to being responsible for the discord. This is not to be critical or imply they should be, because I know they are typically involved enough with the other platforms mentioned, though we should look at where they should be focusing their efforts as part of their "global" status. I will say that we do have Philip who handles his role in both aeolus and the discord, and sometimes Exotic/Viba partake here as well, though not as much as a moderator rather than a casual user.

My thoughts on this isn't so much to say "take away their influence there in the platforms", but a suggestion instead to reconsider how they should engage as a global mod? If we do have dedicated groups to these sections, we would be looking to increase the number of these sections, which in turn would make the role of the global mods a bit redundant to a certain extent. Perhaps their dynamic can be more of a matter of oversight, as a method to organizing these sections when we need to exchange information about something and relay it to where it matters. This would sort of infringe on Voodoo's place as the councilor of Moderators, but this would work handy to say that these groups can relay to these global mods who in turn, act as a subsidiary role to the councilor, when it comes to handling how moderation decisions and roles throughout the FAF community are handled or are in question.

These are sort of thoughts towards the overall suggestion of change, and I'm certain there's more to look forward to as it continues. I think what is concrete here though is that a proper organizing and restructuring are needed in order to establish these select groups, and to focus on their growth so that we have a much stronger presence and image a moderation team. At the very least, this should take the load off of the current members and make the role much less draining and difficult to manage, as long as we can figure out and lay down the foundation of rules pertaining to each section.

As a side note and as an example, the administrator for the Discord is already somewhat responsible for the moderators there, though it wouldn't be bad to have a global moderator able to have a second opinion in choosing moderators there and help follow up on their actions. This way it is not arbitrarily chosen by that administrator alone and allows for a coordinated effort when taking in considerations for the mod position on the discord. That's my idea for the discord anyway, since I'm pretty active there, and we could certainly do with a couple more active mods (and hopefully an admin too ).

That's my take on the matter, at least.

Statistics: Posted by Ze Dogfather — 26 Mar 2018, 10:47

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-25T00:14:35+02:00

Or maybe, just maybe we let people speak whatever language they want regardless of if any moderator is on.

Statistics: Posted by moonbearonmeth — 25 Mar 2018, 00:14

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-24T16:10:48+02:00

Here we see the moderators we have at the moment:

Global moderators
Gorton, Deering, Viba, Tex, PhilipJFry, Exotic_Retard, Voodoo

chat moderators
SiwaonaDaphnewen

forum moderators
Anihilnine

discord moderators
Dog, Petric

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 24 Mar 2018, 16:10

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-24T15:44:55+02:00

We had the same rule in gpgnet. At the end it's not for old players who can speak english anyway. It's for new players for example who have one or two questions. At the moment we say, english please and kick after that. If we change this rule a little bit, they can ask their questions and someone can answer without a problem. Language channels are a better solution but it wasn't working in the past.

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 24 Mar 2018, 15:44

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-24T15:40:05+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
Assuming we get such a feature we'd probably end up with channels for german, french and russian at least.
We do already have two mods who speak german as their first language but none for french and only one mod that speaks russian.

No moderation isn't really an issue for language channels. All what's needed is to put a link with translated rules and description how to make a report to english-speaking moderator. Screenshot+translation from player would work well enough so moderator just finds somebody trusted to verify it if needed and than take actions. It happened for me to do this kind of things already.

This way language channels can be self-moderated.

Statistics: Posted by Apofenas — 24 Mar 2018, 15:40

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-24T15:12:03+02:00

And how exactly is one supposed to know if his language moderator is online to be allowed to speak it?

A big tag above the chat about allowed languages perhaps?

I mean, I can estimate that I can speak Finnish always, because Giebmasse is always online and I can't speak Sindarin ever because none of the mods speak it(well I assume they don't anyway) but what about a new player? How are they supposed to be informed of this?

Then there's the whole issue that we can speak German, Swedish, Russian etc. but why exactly can't someone speak their own language, let's say Hungarian just because we happen to have mods with those language skills. This, if anything, seems discriminatory. English alone doesn't have this issue because it's the lingua franca of this era.

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 24 Mar 2018, 15:12

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-24T15:11:18+02:00

I've talked to the pythyon/java client devs and they will add some sort of feature that will allow users to have one (or more) language related channels which the user will join in addition to #aeolus upon launching the client

The details are still up in the air but there should at least be channels for the major languages that are present in the faf community (outside of english since #aeolus is primarily english already anyway)

Assuming we get such a feature we'd probably end up with channels for german, french and russian at least.
We do already have two mods who speak german as their first language but none for french and only one mod that speaks russian.

So should we get such a feature it would be great to know that we have some more moderators at least for french and russian at least for the irc so we can be sure that the rules are uphold in these channels.

edit: i agree with joonas -> making the rules fuzzy for this is not a good solution

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 24 Mar 2018, 15:11

Re: Moderation system change

2018-03-24T15:03:23+02:00

I know that new people don't know that aeolus is reserved for english. So they ask in their language first sometimes and I also feel like answering in german if I can.

I changed the rule and we will try it but I don't want that aeolus is more russian as english at the end.

Statistics: Posted by Voodoo — 24 Mar 2018, 15:03