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Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-05T10:17:41+02:00

8 ppl download a map, join a lobby and it launched = 1 play
dev is still correct, you can tell the difference between a meme version or new copy of a map then it's original by looking at the numbers, look at dual gap ep for example

Statistics: Posted by biass — 05 Jan 2018, 10:17

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-05T10:10:04+02:00

Farmsletje wrote:
I'm not sure but it looks like those stats are broken because almost every map in the vault has more downloads then plays.

Well, i am downloading maps and mods from the vault, but i don't play it online.
So some of the downloads/not playing are from me

Statistics: Posted by Uveso — 05 Jan 2018, 10:10

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-04T15:09:46+02:00

Even a simpleton should be able to deduce that maps with multiple players would tend to have more downloads than plays, especially as the number of player slots on a map increases.

Statistics: Posted by Evildrew — 04 Jan 2018, 15:09

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-03T01:45:48+02:00

Most of the stats are somewhat suspect. There is still enough data to generalize who the modders were that dabbled vs the ones that were serious today, however.

It would be interesting to look at some of the raw data. Wonder if it is possible to get an export....

Statistics: Posted by dev_nulled — 03 Jan 2018, 01:45

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-03T01:28:08+02:00

I'm not sure but it looks like those stats are broken because almost every map in the vault has more downloads then plays.

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 03 Jan 2018, 01:28

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-03T01:20:29+02:00

So there are two key metrics (publicly) available - the number of times the game was downloaded, and the number of times people played the map. The number of downloads (more or less) correlates to how many unique installs at least loaded the map. Someone clever with curl could abuse this stat, but in general, it give an idea of how many different people tried it. The number of plays correlates to the amount of times people played the map.

Let's say I download thermo on three different machines. Total download would be 3. I play the map a thousand times - play would be 1000. Multiply out times the number of users per map.

An interesting metric would be if the downloads are similar to the number of plays. That would imply folks tried the map... and did not continue playing on it.

Statistics: Posted by dev_nulled — 03 Jan 2018, 01:20

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-02T21:21:24+02:00

biass wrote:
i think he only means cleaning out the map property that belongs to him - im cool with that.

What does the x+ games played on your maps have to do with it then?

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 02 Jan 2018, 21:21

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-02T12:53:36+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
if we were to give the person with the most map downloads the ability to curate then we'd probably have to give that power to misterlee
i am fairly certain that even you mozart can agree that that would be a bad idea

Sorry i forgot to wave my sarcasm flair

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 02 Jan 2018, 12:53

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-02T05:00:11+02:00

Yes bias - you got it. Not talking about one person managing the entire thing. I'm not sure how many of your maps have been forked with minor modifications nobody bothers to clean up. Thermo is exactly one of these problem children with so much forking they apparently prevented people from making new variants called Thermopylae. If one (or several) variants had most of the community activity (measured by download/play) I'd like to see those modders be able to clean up old versions/forks of the map.

50k plays was just a number out of the air. You know what I mean - you can tell what versions are significant and what are the 'messing around' uploads. Nobody cares about the scrub maps - but here we are tonight, 3/10 public games are thermo.

Statistics: Posted by dev_nulled — 02 Jan 2018, 05:00

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-02T03:50:11+02:00

please stop

"or rather just force a way of creation upon the vaults instead of letting them be."

this is what i mean

Statistics: Posted by biass — 02 Jan 2018, 03:50

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-02T03:45:58+02:00

If all thermos and gaps go, FAF would already be many times better. Setons may be repetitive but it's not as repetitive as the aforementioned ones

Statistics: Posted by Lieutenant Lich — 02 Jan 2018, 03:45

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-02T03:34:09+02:00

i ran up a few of my maps and i only have like
17451 + 9563 + 2705 + 1395 + 207 + 205 + 667 + 4250 = 36443 plays ;(

Most people here think dev is saying for someone like astro to curate the whole vault, i think he only means cleaning out the map property that belongs to him - im cool with that.

I already have fixed other peoples maps for them in the past but that was recently weaponized against me in the previous pages, and i have declared for the third time now that im not going to be told im not capable to work with, and then be asked to still do the work anyways. Do your own job.

Farms/speed/petric/etc does make maps, etc, but if your idea were to go ahead i would only want to most top tier of mappers having the ability, some mappers are not yet really up to the standard to judge others or rather just force a way of creation upon the vaults instead of letting them be.

Feather wrote:
my map has zero plays because no one is making it.. stop being lazy people!!

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Farmsletje wrote:
Someone like cookienoob who has nowhere near 50k map plays will very likely have a lot more knowledge then most mappers with 50k plays.

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Statistics: Posted by biass — 02 Jan 2018, 03:34

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-02T03:13:35+02:00

my map has zero plays because no one is making it.. stop being lazy people!!

Statistics: Posted by Feather — 02 Jan 2018, 03:13

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-02T02:50:40+02:00

In addition to map vault will there be any cleaning of the mod vault?

Spoiler: show

it can sometimes be very messy, or misleading. For example there's version 1 to 37 or so of Equilibrium, even though it's a featured mod.

And another thing: being map/mod councillor means you now have the ability to make mods ranked. Is there a way to submit certain mods for review? I've heard about RKS in the run for being rated and I'd love to see stuff like Bunny Time and other seasonal theme mods ranked.

Statistics: Posted by Evan_ — 02 Jan 2018, 02:50

Re: M&M Councillor and Map Vault Cleanse

2018-01-01T23:42:10+02:00

What relevance do i have to voice my opinion? So what relevance do you have to voice your opinion? That doesn't make any sense.

And here's where you go wrong. Having a lot of map plays has nothing to do with being good at creating/updating maps. Like literally nothing. Someone like cookienoob who has nowhere near 50k map plays will very likely have a lot more knowledge then most mappers with 50k plays.

Statistics: Posted by Farmsletje — 01 Jan 2018, 23:42