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Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-28T09:30:38+02:00

I'm not dodging any issue tatsu i'm just stating facts.

Even IF shield bounce would destroy the scout plane and thus make it not provide any intel from now on the point is that it already DID PROVIDE so much intel on the way there
Your shield is (hopefully) on the ground while scout/spy planes have an elevation of 20/25. By the time they impact on the shield they've already travelled pretty damn far. At best you can reduce the area they can provide intel on by 5% or so.

Also don't forget that the intel the crashing unit provides is not just vision but also radar/sonar/omni and a scout has 65 radar range/a spy plane has 96 radar range.

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 28 Nov 2017, 09:30

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-28T09:12:38+02:00

Yeah turning a crucial part of playing thoughtful into this game into some random af chance is really gonna improve the gameplay yeah i'll love when all of my midgame/earlygame scouting is denied from some random unplaced maa because of vision kill yeah hmm when it bounces off of some random t2 shield hmm yeah snds good

rating tied to forums pls thx

FtXCommando wrote:
If you're so bothered by people looking at your base then make asf and block spy planes actively.

Statistics: Posted by biass — 28 Nov 2017, 09:12

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-28T08:59:52+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
probably not worse per se but the difference in terms of how much vision you gain from the dead descending air unit prop is too little to be of any significance when comparing shield bounce and no bounce

you're dodging the issue here.

look I get it, this is going to happen rarely, but you're downplaying that when it does happen it's going to matter the most.

PhilipJFry wrote:
the shield bouncing doesn't make much of a difference here

it's gonna be pro level play and it's going to mean a successful scout where the player was pulling every possible effort to render that impossible and where it's going to cost him the game.

I'm not saying the possible examples are what matter here. I'm saying a behavior that's in a way game-breaking or partially should not be neglected. we want to created a balanced experience.

there's good solutions proposed in this thread. no reason to leave things as is in my humble opinion.

bounce is a good feature IMO. vision kill on bounce is a good idea IMO.

Statistics: Posted by tatsu — 28 Nov 2017, 08:59

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-28T00:54:47+02:00

Any little bit makes a difference. Sometimes what you needed to see is just out of vision range. I've seen games where people don't scout a Para/Monkey/GC/nuke, because they crash like one millimeter too far. The opposite holds true as well, sometimes it gets scouted by the smallest margin.

So have I understood how shield bounce works wrong and they just continue the same path through the shield most of the time or is there something else I(or you I suppose) am missing here?

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 28 Nov 2017, 00:54

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T19:35:04+02:00

probably not worse per se but the difference in terms of how much vision you gain from the dead descending air unit prop is too little to be of any significance when comparing shield bounce and no bounce

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 27 Nov 2017, 19:35

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T19:21:13+02:00

Hmm so you're saying they can crash on top of the shield and bounce further into the base as well, just making the issue worse.

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 27 Nov 2017, 19:21

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T17:36:32+02:00

Oh, true. I totally forgot about the other thread. XD
Sorry for the "double post". Thread can be locked then (though I still think that wrecks giving intel is super cheap and lame).

Statistics: Posted by Shai--Hulud — 27 Nov 2017, 17:36

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T17:29:29+02:00

where they bounce to depends on the speed and trajectory
but crashing air units don't just provide intel on the location of the crashed wreck but all the way from where they die to the crash location
the shield bouncing doesn't make much of a difference here

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 27 Nov 2017, 17:29

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T17:26:26+02:00

So it does show the position where the wreck ends up in, not where it impacted a shield or where it was supposed to land normally? That sound like it has quite a bit to do with how wrecks provide intel if that's how it works.

If they were going to land behind or in the middle of a T3 UEF/Seraphim shield and land in the front of the shield instead, I'd call that a meaningful difference.

Or do they still land inside the shield?

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 27 Nov 2017, 17:26

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T16:39:46+02:00

shield bouncing has nothing to do with air wrecks providing intel
at best the wreck drops somewhere else than it used to without the bouncing but the difference is next to nothing

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 27 Nov 2017, 16:39

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T14:28:32+02:00

JoonasTo wrote:
Hmmm, would the shield bounce effect remove this effect?

that could be a fun tid-bit and a nice middle ground.

Statistics: Posted by tatsu — 27 Nov 2017, 14:28

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T13:59:13+02:00

Hmmm, would the shield bounce effect remove this effect?
What happens if a scout plane crashes on a shield now?

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 27 Nov 2017, 13:59

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T11:40:01+02:00

you guys also should keep in mind that removing intel from crashing air scouts would make cybran stealth a lot more valuable especially in navy fights - maybe to such an extent in lategame navy fights that sera and especially aeon won't be able to keep up with them anymore

i get that it is not very intuitive that your base gets scouted by a crashing scout plane that you shut down at your line of defense but imo you'll have to deal with that and maybe kill scouts earlier if you want to hide a surprise attack

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 27 Nov 2017, 11:40

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T11:30:21+02:00

you're playing a video game with giant robots and laser cannons

i hope planes giving some intel while crashing doesn't bother you too much
imo removing this "feature" from the game would make defending easier and i'm not sure why we should do that

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 27 Nov 2017, 11:30

Re: spy planes broken

2017-11-27T11:24:09+02:00

Question: can/will this "issue" be fixed?
I'm 100% ok with some planes being able to scout even if deadas their special ability. Though other planes that specifically do not have such ability shouldn't provide intel after their sensor package has been turned into a glowing hole from a direct hit from a SAM

Statistics: Posted by zeroAPM — 27 Nov 2017, 11:24