Forged Alliance Forever Forged Alliance Forever Forums 2017-11-12T10:14:02+02:00 /feed.php?f=2&t=15381 2017-11-12T10:14:02+02:00 2017-11-12T10:14:02+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=156329#p156329 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]> here i recommend reading it before suggesting we change it from what you imagine to be our system to what we actually use already Cabal.

Imo the rating system works fairly well for people who stay within the environment they're used to.
For example someone like me who plays setons 99% of the time is overrated on basically all other maps there are but as long as i don't leave my comfort zone that doesn't matter cause i perform according to what the rating system suggests on the map i usually play on.
Having different mods rated either doesn't matter to the system because they don't affect the gameplay in a significant way - good example for such a mod would be RK's explosion mod or the seasonal mods for easter or christmas - or because the mod doesn't change the game to an extent where the rating would become inaccurate - someone who plays Equilibrium or BHedit will perform pretty much the same on the regular FAF patch.

The only way to make the global rating become a better indicator of overall skill would be to remove the choice of maps and teammates which are currently the biggest influence in the outcome of a game that a user has power over but that would require a matchmaker so i suggest you either live with what we currently have or find someone competent and willing to code a matchmaker.

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2017-11-12T08:22:00+02:00 2017-11-12T08:22:00+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=156327#p156327 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]>
As i said in aeolus, a poorly thought out suggestion stemming from the emotion of losing a game. And with little actual knowledge of how the system works.

also can we please talk about how people are openly calling people cunts in this thread and i say it once with the plausible deniability of it being a part of my national slang and i get banned for weeks?
i mean u wanna remove the thoughts ppl have in their heads of mods carrying out personal vendettas but ur making it really hard

Statistics: Posted by biass — 12 Nov 2017, 08:22


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2017-11-11T04:37:47+02:00 2017-11-11T04:37:47+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=156280#p156280 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]>
People do technically start with a (mean) rating (I can't even remember what it is anymore) with a high deviation. The rating displayed is the lowest possible rating you can have; hence, when the deviation's high, it shows 0. When deviation is high your rating can change more from a single game than with lower deviation. Deviation will increase when you play abnormally; e.g you start to win more.

Then when you play your first games, your deviation decreases as the system works out what your mean is, as it becomes more and more certain where you stand, until you get the situation where you have a visible 1k rating (but the mean is actually something like 1200).

Problems:

People see 0 games in lobby, kick. People see 0 rating in lobby, kick.
-There is currently no way around this. (Pls gib matchmaker?) Alternatively, have 1v1 games affect global rating again/affect new players for the first few games they play.
-AI is useless to play against to learn the game, pretty much.
-While there are a lot of useful tutorials, the learning curve is steep.


If I made a mistake explaining the system please feel free to correct me.

Statistics: Posted by Gorton — 11 Nov 2017, 04:37


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2017-11-10T21:00:55+02:00 2017-11-10T21:00:55+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=156266#p156266 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]> Statistics: Posted by B_U_F_F_I_T_U_P — 10 Nov 2017, 21:00


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2017-11-07T06:57:27+02:00 2017-11-07T06:57:27+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=156062#p156062 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]>
B_U_F_F_I_T_U_P wrote:
FtXCommando wrote:Nice so we get 8 different ratings (1v1-8v8) and I can play 2v2/3v3 as an 1800 and then suddenly join an 8v8 game with 0 rating. System is looking good!

Keep the 1 global rating system

Stop taking the game seriously.
Stop blaming others for you losing a game.
Start playing with people you trust if you lost all trust in the system itself.

None of the problems will ever be solved until a team matchmaker is created. You will create a more complicated, annoying system to navigate and ultimately bitch about something else when you lose.

its not 8 different ratings. i said its just like play. instead we put ranked play and party play. both having their OWN rating system you cunt. because you play with a hand full of good players that you KNOW are good. SHIT you wont even play games with people lower then 1.5k rating. you have no idea what i am talking about. and when did i state of me blaming people for losing games. i am just saying we should change the rating system so we have better games.


The statements were just general guidelines, not things directed at you. I was using the royal "you." By ranked play I'm guessing you mean team matchmaker? I'm not sure how else to divide ranked and party play here.

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2017-11-07T06:44:58+02:00 2017-11-07T06:44:58+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=156061#p156061 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]>
FtXCommando wrote:
Nice so we get 8 different ratings (1v1-8v8) and I can play 2v2/3v3 as an 1800 and then suddenly join an 8v8 game with 0 rating. System is looking good!

Keep the 1 global rating system

Stop taking the game seriously.
Stop blaming others for you losing a game.
Start playing with people you trust if you lost all trust in the system itself.

None of the problems will ever be solved until a team matchmaker is created. You will create a more complicated, annoying system to navigate and ultimately bitch about something else when you lose.

its not 8 different ratings. i said its just like play. instead we put ranked play and party play. both having their OWN rating system you cunt. because you play with a hand full of good players that you KNOW are good. SHIT you wont even play games with people lower then 1.5k rating. you have no idea what i am talking about. and when did i state blaming people for losing games. i am just saying we should change the rating system so we have better games.

Statistics: Posted by B_U_F_F_I_T_U_P — 07 Nov 2017, 06:44


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2017-11-06T23:33:51+02:00 2017-11-06T23:33:51+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=156044#p156044 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]> Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 06 Nov 2017, 23:33


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2017-11-06T08:47:43+02:00 2017-11-06T08:47:43+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=156020#p156020 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]>
But actually, your point about BAC levels makes things even more complicated. I myself happen to follow a bimodal skill curve while drunk. So now you need to graph my BAC to ELO as something other then a linear dropoff. Also, Depending on what kind of drunk I am experiencing (Mellow, Lets rage, My life is a lie, bliss) as well as off of what type of liquor (Beer, Bourbon, Busch Lite{more water then beer}, Minerva Swamp, mai tais) are all a factor. Don't even get me started on the hangovers too, you all saw what happened at the 3rd qualifier tourney.

Can you imagine the multi variable calculations you need to differentiate a mellow bourbon drunk tex who's BAC is .14 playing a high apm 2 vs 2, vs a lets rage Busch lite Tex with a 0.12 BAC playing airslot? I don't even think there is enough preliminary data to get started with the calculations.

But me myself, I am a man of science. I can appreciate what you do and will help you get the data to prove it, as soon as can go to the fridge to crack a cold one.

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2017-11-04T00:43:19+02:00 2017-11-04T00:43:19+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=155950#p155950 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]>
Keep the 1 global rating system

Stop taking the game seriously.
Stop blaming others for you losing a game.
Start playing with people you trust if you lost all trust in the system itself.

None of the problems will ever be solved until a team matchmaker is created. You will create a more complicated, annoying system to navigate and ultimately bitch about something else when you lose.

Statistics: Posted by FtXCommando — 04 Nov 2017, 00:43


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2017-11-04T00:32:52+02:00 2017-11-04T00:32:52+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=155948#p155948 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]> Statistics: Posted by B_U_F_F_I_T_U_P — 04 Nov 2017, 00:32


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2017-11-03T18:49:00+02:00 2017-11-03T18:49:00+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=155932#p155932 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]>
Morax wrote:
but as of late that is sometimes needed to be 1700+ since Gently still does not know what it is.


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What the f*** did you just fucking say about me, you little shit? Ill have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and Ive been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and Im the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the f*** out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. Youre fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and thats just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little clever comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldnt, you didnt, and now youre paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. Youre fucking dead, kiddo.

Statistics: Posted by TheKoopa — 03 Nov 2017, 18:49


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2017-11-03T01:03:51+02:00 2017-11-03T01:03:51+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=155895#p155895 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]>
1) You cannot expect people to play at their current rating all the time. There are outside life factors like a rough day at work, health and other bs that makes it impossible to truly play at a certain level. SovietPride had a nice post where he wrote how someone needs to be 1500+ to even know what tele defense is, but as of late that is sometimes needed to be 1700+ since Gently still does not know what it is. Also, you cannot help but admit you know a lot of people are intoxicated, wasted, etc hence my comment about the blood alcohol level.

2) The devs and community agreed or decided or whatever to allow multiple mods to contribute to rating. As an engineer it makes zero sense to me as to how to solve this issue by adding more variables. You are supposed to move them as a method to nail down the "smoking gun."

3) We need to agree on how to consolidate the contributing factors to rating. It would likely be easier to agree that people who get to 2k rating by playing only dual gap probably are more like 800 on Setons or some other try-hard map.

Case example: willboyle being 2k rated is so laughable veins start to get strained from the pressure on one.

4) People need to realize we as a community allowed a very simplified set of "roles" where someone is "air player," someone is "eco spot," someone as "front."

This creates a problem where people get so caught up in "meta" they deny playing anything else with intuition or get hit with a "oh shit... I got to switch gears a bit" and improvise. Naive and ignorant, asinine game play has resulted leading to everyone hating people and telling them they are a "noob" if they don't follow suit.

Just try joining a setons game and playing navy as front and asking people to use drops to get middle mass. Watch what happens... :D



In the end, we have all created this issue and need to solve it together if we really care enough.

Far as I am concerned, we all lost:

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2017-11-02T20:43:43+02:00 2017-11-02T20:43:43+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=155869#p155869 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]> You're no exception. I'm no exception. So don't expect anything else from anyone else. :D

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 02 Nov 2017, 20:43


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2017-11-02T19:24:35+02:00 2017-11-02T19:24:35+02:00 /viewtopic.php?t=15381&p=155865#p155865 <![CDATA[Re: Rating System needs changes.]]>
Start calculating people’s derivatives Kappa

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