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Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-04T01:04:49+02:00

didn't realise it wasn't like steam where you could block forever

Statistics: Posted by gumpy — 04 Jul 2017, 01:04

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-03T18:34:51+02:00

and if you have already 5-6 of them already firing at the shielded yolo ?
knowing that an un-assist yolo take 1 min to charge, and you need like 3 min crossing the map (air to air spot on seton) and re-building a sat without assist take 50 sec.
so this make 4 sat good enough to stop a yolo. I don't know seems good to me ^^
but as i said depends of the travel (the map and where you built yolo and sat) + the assist.

anyway it is bugged right now, you can't rebuild the sat after being killed by nuke. (and it's not always easy to stop the nuke, sometime even if you are right on top in can slip past it.)

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 03 Jul 2017, 18:34

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-03T17:07:30+02:00

yeah but lets be honest you have to have completed the novax at leat 2-5minutes before the yolo and it only works once because of the travel time.

a likely scenario would be opposite ends of setons (where if player play bad enough you can actually pull off building either) moving the novax above the yolo alone might take you a minute and a half loading a yolo is only 30 seconds so when you destroy the first satellite you're clear of all future satellites because your next nuke will get there first

Statistics: Posted by tatsu — 03 Jul 2017, 17:07

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-03T16:42:58+02:00

it doesn't take any micro at all, put no fire, give a move order, drag the move order over the nuke.

Statistics: Posted by keyser — 03 Jul 2017, 16:42

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-03T16:23:18+02:00

Satellites are not exactly fast though so getting one on top of the nuke to block it takes quite a bit of time. Certainly more time than it takes to load a Yolo.

Normal nukes are a different matter though but it still takes micro to keep the satellite on top of the nuke.

Statistics: Posted by JoonasTo — 03 Jul 2017, 16:23

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-03T14:41:58+02:00

PhilipJFry wrote:
With yolo block i mean endless blocking like in steam/retail FA.
Considering that the yolo nuke costs 600 mass compared to the 5k mass of the satellite or 3.6k mass of the anti nuke it just can't be considered an exploit.

5k mass satelite? you can rebuild them? is it in main faf version already? xD
http://spooky.github.io/unitdb/#/XEB2402,XEA0002
also 1 antinuke missile costs 3600, you need 2 missiles in sameish area to stop yolona nuke, so that is 7200 mass and 518400 of build time ~ (4 minutes of antinuke loading and you can't stall during that. can't really compare build time cause antinukes are very cheap build power)

1 satelite can be almost anywhere and can come and block any nuke that they want. and harras a little bit.. tho travel time can be a big factor.
fall damage is not a big factor since FAF made shield take fall damage drom falling wrecks (have not tested myself with satelites)

so 7200 mass vs 5000
4 minutes of work for 2 anti or 8 mins for one anti (can't stall) VS 15k build time 2 min 45 sec with 3 t3 engies approximately
antinuke has to be in the area that you want to protect vs can be anywhere but has some travel time.

that make satelite an interesting choice against yolo. you gotta siege it with arty/sat anyway, so can only sacrifice satelites when run out of antinukes, and also fall damage can still help a little bit if yolo is unter arty fire.

against normal nukes? idk i guess satelite cost more than antinuke, but can be used as an emergency. I hope that this is not some kind of new info for balance team. but 5k satelite cost seems questionable.

Statistics: Posted by ZLO_RD — 03 Jul 2017, 14:41

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-03T09:52:47+02:00

With yolo block i mean endless blocking like in steam/retail FA.
Considering that the yolo nuke costs 600 mass compared to the 5k mass of the satellite or 3.6k mass of the anti nuke it just can't be considered an exploit.

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 03 Jul 2017, 09:52

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-03T09:48:54+02:00

You can block an Ylona Oss.

Of course, the satellite dies and it's high up enough so that the nuke won't hurt anything on the ground, but you can block it.

Statistics: Posted by Plasma_Wolf — 03 Jul 2017, 09:48

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-03T08:03:51+02:00

Can you please tell me why a nuke hitting a novax sat should be considered an exploit in FAF?

Spoiler: show

Statistics: Posted by PhilipJFry — 03 Jul 2017, 08:03

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-03T03:22:04+02:00

Just to confirm because I don't see it in the list of banned exploits, blocking nukes with a sat is not banned?

Statistics: Posted by gumpy — 03 Jul 2017, 03:22

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-07-01T07:52:58+02:00

alright, awesome, thanks all!

Statistics: Posted by Sir_C — 01 Jul 2017, 07:52

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-06-30T23:50:06+02:00

This sounds like excellent use of skill and brainpower in a simulated strategy game. Go for it.

Statistics: Posted by IceDreamer — 30 Jun 2017, 23:50

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-06-30T21:47:10+02:00

coms can be hindered in pursueing or fleeing by making them run into units or just placed objects making them loose inertia and picking a new path.
Nuke blocking is just letting the nuke hit something in the air before impact afaik (novax or planes, unless novax was removed from the list)

Statistics: Posted by MayorDamage — 30 Jun 2017, 21:47

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-06-30T20:06:14+02:00

I would be interested to know what com-blocking and nuke blocking is. about the machine learning, I would have to get more info (as it was my brother who wrote that last comment, and he is the one in comp sci) anyway, nice to know its not going to get me banned, and yes if I find that it can be game breaking I will let the community know.

Statistics: Posted by Sir_C — 30 Jun 2017, 20:06

Re: Purposely making path finding as hard as possible for en

2017-06-30T18:40:18+02:00

com blocking? ha
wait till you discover nuke blocking )))

also im fairly interested in what you did in regards to machine learning, tell us more!

and btw if sth you discover is really that bad we can look at fixing or just saying its not allowed. so don't worry - unless its banned, its not xD

Statistics: Posted by Exotic_Retard — 30 Jun 2017, 18:40