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Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-25T20:01:53+02:00

We'll I like charts. Any possibility of getting them grouped by rating bracket? I am convinced my bracket is playing more. Maybe its something like less new people and more old people.

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 25 May 2017, 20:01

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-25T19:51:13+02:00

CookieNoob wrote:
Morax wrote:No, my problem is that you guys rely on what we call in my industry "pretty, distracting pictures" where the data looks interesting and conclusive, but it's quite unreliable.

You need empirical data sets (playing the game in this case) on top of resultant data (your charts) to know if the output is valid. I hear too often in the dev conferences references to "charts" from people who don't play.

I dont get it, a diagram showing the number of ladder games per week is unreliable and invalid in a thread about charts for the number of ladder games played per week? It's a diagram based on the data (i.e. empirical data) stored on the server and it's less valid than some individuals saying "it feels like there is more players"???

Btw. I cant remember a dev conference where charts were used maybe you can help with a quote there.

We can talk offline if you actually care enough to know considering I was warned once for debating here.

I think Mozart made this post in a hope to show his disliked ladder pool is less popular when it actually is not.

That is why I don't care for the charts and am more saying his original post won't bring his hopes to fruition.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 25 May 2017, 19:51

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-25T18:50:42+02:00

If you are to test out how different pools compare in popularity then might as well test good old zep pool

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Statistics: Posted by Petricpwnz — 25 May 2017, 18:50

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-25T17:49:32+02:00

Morax wrote:
No, my problem is that you guys rely on what we call in my industry "pretty, distracting pictures" where the data looks interesting and conclusive, but it's quite unreliable.

You need empirical data sets (playing the game in this case) on top of resultant data (your charts) to know if the output is valid. I hear too often in the dev conferences references to "charts" from people who don't play.

I dont get it, a diagram showing the number of ladder games per week is unreliable and invalid in a thread about charts for the number of ladder games played per week? It's a diagram based on the data (i.e. empirical data) stored on the server and it's less valid than some individuals saying "it feels like there is more players"???

Btw. I cant remember a dev conference where charts were used maybe you can help with a quote there.

Statistics: Posted by CookieNoob — 25 May 2017, 17:49

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-25T14:38:13+02:00

No, my problem is that you guys rely on what we call in my industry "pretty, distracting pictures" where the data looks interesting and conclusive, but it's quite unreliable.

You need empirical data sets (playing the game in this case) on top of resultant data (your charts) to know if the output is valid. I hear too often in the dev conferences references to "charts" from people who don't play.

For cripe sake, they made equilibrium rated based off charts and some empirical evidence showed it's mostly people messing around rather actually playing.

I'd rather hear from players and see data.

In this case, I can support that ladder and through charts things are going well. I just hope it's not the "go-to" method.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 25 May 2017, 14:38

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-25T14:07:18+02:00

Morax wrote:
No offense, but these charts are not very helpful.

As Anilhilnine said, I too can confirm is far easier to get ladder matches then I'm recent past year at least.

I'm a very happy FAF'er with 1v1.

What do you mean?
Are you saying that your experience with ladder matches makes the provided data invalid?
(maybe the data is bad? if so the devs should let us know)

Assuming that the data is correct, then it is proof that people didn't dislike the small map pool that much that everybody stopped playing.
Which I find to be very interesting. Especially usefull in discussions about the mappool size.

Statistics: Posted by KeyBlue — 25 May 2017, 14:07

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-25T13:50:16+02:00

No offense, but these charts are not very helpful.

As Anilhilnine said, I too can confirm is far easier to get ladder matches then I'm recent past year at least.

I'm a very happy FAF'er with 1v1.

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 25 May 2017, 13:50

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-25T13:35:48+02:00

Iszh in FAF stats wrote:
I really wonder if you can see the e clan ladder week in there. Btw where is a new one?

Yes you can, see the big spike in April 2016.
Thats when [e] ladder week happened.

Statistics: Posted by KeyBlue — 25 May 2017, 13:35

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-23T23:54:03+02:00

As an exclusively ranked player, I can guarantee you that it is WAY quicker to get a game than it used to be. 1500 players are playing more. Used to be I could wait half an hour for a game... Now its like 3 mins. Please don't change it back

Statistics: Posted by nine2 — 23 May 2017, 23:54

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-23T23:18:45+02:00

Yeah i'm not sure why yet, but around year ends there seems to be bigger spikes. So best not to take those into account.
Its all about the main trends anyway, right?

Statistics: Posted by KeyBlue — 23 May 2017, 23:18

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-23T23:09:05+02:00

No idea what happened in Jan but overall activity seems to stay in same spot.
Guess not enough time has passed to tell if the small pool was good (was introduced in April).

Also, when did Zep era end?

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 23 May 2017, 23:09

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-23T22:38:30+02:00

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13449&view=unread#p149475
Somebody who knows the dates of the events could add that info..

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Statistics: Posted by KeyBlue — 23 May 2017, 22:38

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-23T21:09:56+02:00

Is there noone else other than Softly who can get some graphs? And im not sure if he's been around at all lately.

Statistics: Posted by Mad`Mozart — 23 May 2017, 21:09

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-19T23:59:23+02:00

That needs to be converted to a popularity vs # of days Donald Trump in office

Incredible work, Petric

Statistics: Posted by Morax — 19 May 2017, 23:59

Re: Ladder popularity charts?

2017-05-19T23:42:10+02:00

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